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Atavachron Digest 6/94
Atavachron Digest - The Allan Holdsworth Discussion Digest
Number 98
Friday, 3 June 1994
TODAY'S TOPICS:
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Re: Okay--Might As Well Spill All The Beans...
Pulse! review of HHA
AD 96
Impatient in Virginia (soon to be Ohio)
Re: AD 96
Album title
Re: Album title
Endomorph solo
Re: Album title
Allan's Melbourne Gig...
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Date: Sat, 28 May 94 15:24:21 -0400
From: barrett@snoopy.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Subject: Re: Okay--Might As Well Spill All The Beans...
>Among other things, C_HOARD@BAX.compuserve.com said:
>> Now--more tabloid inuendo. Did anybody know that AH was invited to
>> join Animal Logic with Stewart Copeland and Stanley Clarke?
uchima@fncrd8.fnal.gov (Mike Uchima) writes:
>I think Allan's playing would have complemented Copeland and Clarke nicely...
Did you know they recorded a song together? Check out
"Stories to Tell" on Stanley Clarke's 1988 album, IF THIS BASS COULD
ONLY TALK. Although it's a pretty simple piece, I think it's
successful in that you can easily recognize each player's distinctive
style.
Dan
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Date: Sun, 29 May 94 23:23:16 -0400
From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga (R. Lynn Rardin)
Subject: Pulse! review of HHA
For those of you who don't live close enough to a Tower Records to pick up
their Pulse! adzine on a regular basis, here's the text from Bill Milkowski's
review of HARD HAT AREA from the June issue of Pulse! (reproduced without
permission, of course :). This review can be found in the Fusion reviews
section. The title of the section this month is "Guitar Gods 'R' Us: Fuze,
Holdsworth and Stern (with and w/o Steps Ahead)".
An old-line guitar god, Allan Holdsworth has been flaunting mind-boggling
chops since the '70s. He's back with more legato lightning on _Hard Hat
Area_ (Restless). Power drummer Gary Husband hooks up with the Icelandic
boy wonder, bassist Skuli Sverrisen [sic], for a muscular, grooving
foundation while Holdsworth sails effortlessly over the top on guitar
and guitar synth. Holdsworth's fluid phrasing on the six-string closely
resembles a saxophonist in full flight. And in peaks of inspiration, like
on "Ruhkukah," the uncannily aggressive title track adn the lyrical ballad
"Low Levels, High Stakes," he tips well into the Coltrane zone.
Strangely, no mention of Steve Hunt is made. As you may have guessed, Mike
Stern's new one and LUNAR CRASH by David Fiuczynski and John Medeski (as well
as Steps Ahead's LIVE IN TOKYO 1986) are also reviewed. LUNAR CRASH is really
nice. Milkowski finishes his review of LC with "This is one truly twisted,
inspired individual [referring to Fuze]. All hail the Fuze." :)
-Lynn
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From: Kingsley Durant Jr
Subject: AD 96
Date: Tue, 31 May 94 8:48:20 EDT
Cheers!
Addendum to previous post (bicycling thread): Forgot to
mention that there is a British manufacturer of bicycle frames
named HOLDSWORTH - one of my brothers has owned a few such over
the years. Between sets of an '84 show, I asked AH if he was
any relation (no, he isn't), totally unaware at the time of his
passion for riding. This resulted in a rather lengthy
conversation about bicycles and bicycling - I was, at the time,
a more than casual rider myself, and Allan's enthusiasm was in
marked contrast to his usual post-gig demeanor. Hmm...
Bill D. replied to my post in AD #96:
>Why bother? Well, I can't speak for my friend,
>but I would guess that it's because he heard
>someone playing in the manner that he had imagined
>possible but hadn't been able to invent himself.
>I see nothing wrong with that at all.
I'd like to qualify my last post by saying that I personally
feel that, in general, distorted, legato guitar solos are
getting trite and somewhat boring. ("Rukukah" excepted - whew!
- and I *really* like the sound of the Soldano on that cut;
thanx to Jim T. for getting the hot scoop on amps!) It's not
unlike what happened in bebop when, after a period of
experimentation and innovation, a set of rules developed and
became codified, which led to a lot of players who played very
quickly and articulately, but wholly according to the rules
rather than from inspiration, adrenaline, and personal
exploration. But hey, this is only *my* opinion.
In all honesty, I should also add that, for me, this more of a
listening bias than a guitar-playing bias. As a guitarist, if
fast, legato distortion playing is what turns me on, then I'm
probably gonna *go for it* and not worry about whether I might
have borrowed a few elements from someone else. I'm as guilty
as anyone of using borrowed Allan-isms, and my Klein is in
presently in California having an AH pickup put in. (OK, so,
I'm a bit of a hypocrite...)
On another note, RE: all the concert reviews. Jeez, I'm
getting impatient - sounds like the chaps are out there
*reaming*, although the borrowed sound-guy thing continues to
haunt them. When did you say Allan is coming east, Jeff?! And
special thanx to Jim T for a great post - almost makes me glad
he beat me in the trivia quiz tie-breaker :-)
Kingsley
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1602 Townwood Court
Charlottesville, VA 22901
(804) 974-7108
"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not
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From: Jeff Preston
Subject: Impatient in Virginia (soon to be Ohio)
Date: Tue, 31 May 94 18:30:27 EDT
> From: Kingsley Durant Jr
> Subject: AD 96
> On another note, RE: all the concert reviews. Jeez, I'm
> getting impatient - sounds like the chaps are out there
> *reaming*, although the borrowed sound-guy thing continues to
> haunt them. When did you say Allan is coming east, Jeff?!
No official word from Holdsworth HQ as of this date, but Chris mentioned
August as a target for the start of the midwest/east tour. I'll post 'em
as soon as I have 'em!
> And
> special thanx to Jim T for a great post - almost makes me glad
> he beat me in the trivia quiz tie-breaker :-)
Yeah, welcome back, Jim! It sounds like you guys had a great time!
Jeff
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From: banders@netcom.com (Paul B. Anders)
Subject: Re: AD 96
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 16:33:56 -0700 (PDT)
Preston writes:
[ Moderator's note: Nope... this was Kingsley Durant, Jr. --JP ]
> Addendum to previous post (bicycling thread): Forgot to
> mention that there is a British manufacturer of bicycle frames
> named HOLDSWORTH - one of my brothers has owned a few such over
> the years. Between sets of an '84 show, I asked AH if he was
> any relation (no, he isn't), totally unaware at the time of his
> passion for riding. This resulted in a rather lengthy
> conversation about bicycles and bicycling - I was, at the time,
> a more than casual rider myself, and Allan's enthusiasm was in
> marked contrast to his usual post-gig demeanor. Hmm...
Holdsworth bicycles have been around a long time, I remember borrowing
a friends lugless model for a race in the early '70's. I've been thinking
about asking AH if he wants to go for a ride the next time he's here in
the SF bay area. I've been racing here for a while, and it would be no
problem to set him up with a bike when he's in the area. Is it possible
to contact him here through Atavachron?
> ...I feel that, in general, distorted, legato guitar solos are
> getting trite and somewhat boring. ("Rukukah" excepted - whew!
> - and I *really* like the sound of the Soldano on that cut;
> thanx to Jim T. for getting the hot scoop on amps!) It's not
> unlike what happened in bebop when, after a period of
> experimentation and innovation, a set of rules developed and
> became codified, which led to a lot of players who played very
> quickly and articulately, but wholly according to the rules
> rather than from inspiration, adrenaline, and personal
> exploration. But hey, this is only *my* opinion.
I'd concur, but feel that AH is the exception to the rule. I don't
feel that he really is following any "rules" when I hear him improvise,
at least not in the same manner as other soloists. I'm almost always
suprised at the structure, melodic content, emotion, and general feeling
of his solos.
I must have listened to "Rukukah" fifty or more times recently. I really
enjoy the improvisations of both SH and AH, but I might mention that it's
the one solo I've heard of AH's recently where he has a few moments of
playing cliche licks. I also might say that the rest of the time he more
than makes up for throwing in a few offhand phrases!
> On another note, RE: all the concert reviews. Jeez, I'm
> getting impatient - sounds like the chaps are out there
> *reaming*, although the borrowed sound-guy thing continues to
> haunt them. When did you say Allan is coming east, Jeff?! And
> special thanx to Jim T for a great post - almost makes me glad
> he beat me in the trivia quiz tie-breaker :-)
I submitted a concert review to r.m.bluenote before I found Atavachron,
you might want to check it out (Great American Music Hall, SF). The sound
man was awful, it took until after a short break before we could hear the
keyboards at all. Also, while I was really blown away by Gary Husband, he
was so overwhelming that it detracted from the overall sound. And you're
right: they were *reaming*!!! AH was on a different plane than I've ever
seen him play in concert before, a truly great experience.
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Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 17:46:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ashley Collins
Subject: Album title
This is something of a pointless post, so I'll keep it brief. Anyone else
think _Hard Hat Area_ is something of a, well, dumb title for an album? I
don't intend this as a flame and hope no one flames me in return, but I
think AH coulda come up with a slightly better title for one of his better
efforts.
Ashley Collins
acollins@cap.gwu.edu
moleface@wam.umd.edu
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From: Jeff Preston
Subject: Re: Album title
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 94 19:18:37 EDT
> From: Ashley Collins
> Subject: Album title
> This is something of a pointless post, so I'll keep it brief. Anyone else
> think _Hard Hat Area_ is something of a, well, dumb title for an album? I
> don't intend this as a flame and hope no one flames me in return, but I
> think AH coulda come up with a slightly better title for one of his better
> efforts.
I think it goes back to what Allan envisioned when writing the
title track. Here's an excerpt from Chris Hoard's interview, posted
on Atavachron back in March:
------------------------------
CH: Take the title track on your last album, _Hard Hat Area_, where
you obviously use synthesizers. How did it work for you in *that*
context?
AH: Well, it was *good*, because I wouldn't have been able to do the
same thing, color-wise and texture-wise with *just* guitar. 'Cause
what I was visualizing was, I saw like a high-rise building being
built, in Tokyo city, for example.
CH: Um-hmm.
AH: But in Super Mario-style. You know... like it was if... I wrote
the tune thinking about watching a documentary. So it was like
watching a documentary of them putting a high-rise up kind of like
this: A lot faster than it can be done in real time, you know...
and that was the whole thing. That's what I was trying to do is
put music to pictures; it was like music for an imaginary movie.
CH: Yeah, exactly.
AH: And it was about guys *building a building*. And that's all it
was.
------------------------------
So, that just seemed to fit what he must have though of as the
"stand-out" track of the album.
Jeff
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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 17:48:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Spencer Low
Subject: Endomorph solo
Endomorph Solo from Secrets
by Allan Holdsworth
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Having recently subscribed to the Atavachron digest and being totally
overwhelmed by what I've been reading about the astounding Allan Holdsworth,
I wanted to contribute my humble transcription of the solo toward the end of
Endomorph from Secrets.I have not attempted to give a precise tab in AH style
with appropriate legato, but the notes are fairly accurate and would provide a
reasonable starting point for anyone who wanted to work it out precisely.I have
also left out appropriate whammy action since my axe has none and vibrato is at
the player's disgression as always.
The slow beautiful melodies and excellent note choices can be easily played
even by an intermediate player.
Feedback appreciated (anyone have the chord changes?)
Eddie L.(spencerl@crl.com)
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Date: Fri, 3 Jun 94 09:47:06 -0500
From: uchima@fncrd8.fnal.gov (Mike Uchima)
Subject: Re: Album title
Ashley Collins wrote:
>
> Anyone else
> think _Hard Hat Area_ is something of a, well, dumb title for an album?
A hard hat area is a dangerous place, where only those who are familiar with
what's going on are allowed to enter. Could this be a metaphor for Allan's
music? That would make us the construction workers, wouldn't it? :) :)
-- Mike Uchima
-- uchima@fnal.fnal.gov
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From: Duncan Chung Wing Mok
Subject: Allan's Melbourne Gig...
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 18:41:15 +1000 (EST)
G'day from Down Under...
I was just reading David Mitchell's review of the show, and, although I was
unable to catch the show, I had a friend who did - his response was identical.
One thing to note was that, before the show, Dave (my friend) and I were
talking, mulling over the way the industry works, and how people like Allan
seem unable to get recording contracts that satisfy them. I mentioned how much
Allan has sacrificed for his music, and our satisfaction, and noted that he
had gone out on many a financial limb to record and tour.
When I spoke to Dave the next day, he mentioned that Allan and the band had
done their own lugging after the show, and that the PA and operator were both
house - Allan therefore had little control over the sound - no wonder he was
dissatisfied with the sound!
What is it coming to, when the only time Allan is able to grace our shores,
he has to virtually pay for the priviledge?? For someone of Allan's stature
and ability, to not have your own engineer on a tour is appalling.
I must say that I am actually glad to have missed the show - I would have hated
to be disappointed... better to spend the money on a few AH discs.
I add my name to the list of people here who would (if they could) pay Allan
to be the fantastic and innovative musician he is. If I was in a position to
offer Allan some form of corporate sponsorship, I would.
I'll keep on dreaming...
Cheers,
Dunk
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Atavachron Digest - The Allan Holdsworth Discussion Digest
Number 99
Friday, 10 June 1994
TODAY'S TOPICS:
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Mike... I'm flattered
Re: AD 96
Re: Atavachron Digest Number 98
Re: Atavachron Digest Number 98
Re: Allan Holdsworth
Re: AD 96
Allan Holdsworth's violin
The bearer of bad tidings
Re: The bearer of bad tidings
Re: Allan Holdsworth's violin
RE: The bearer of bad tidings
A Few Words from Mr. Bruford
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Date: 3 Jun 1994 11:31:55 -0400
From: "Mick Porter"
Subject: Mike... I'm flattered
My drunken reveries with Preston in Tempe, AZ after the AH show at Gibsons
prompted Mike Uchima to write:
>Now, getting off on an inter-dimensional tangent, re: our fearless >leader's
mind-bending encounter with Sierra Nevada pale ale in >Tempe... *porter is
excellent;* I haven't tried the other two yet...
...Jeez, Mike... I've been told that I'm damn good... And I did probably
hoist one too many that night, but Holy Cow! I don't even remember what could
have transpired between us to lead you to that conclusion, but you don't need
to blab it to the rest of the world. A little discretion if you please. 8-)
Mick Porter
BTW, who are the other two?
mick_porter@falconmicro.com
---Back in my day, we didn't *have* any of these fancy disclaimers. We blamed
our employers for our opinions, and they got sued for silly little
provocations, and they would fire us, and we would be sleeping out in the cold
and hungry, ... But hey, we LIKED it that way---
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Date: Fri, 3 Jun 94 16:08:55 -0400
From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett)
Subject: Re: AD 96
Kingsley Durant Jr wrote:
>Addendum to previous post (bicycling thread): Forgot to
>mention that there is a British manufacturer of bicycle frames
>named HOLDSWORTH...
OK, I can beat that in the "coincidence department." Here at
University of Massachusetts, we have building called Holdsworth Hall.
The building next to it is under construction, so there is a big sign
that reads (yes...) "Hard Hat Area."
I am tempted to take a photograph, but I don't think I can get
bothp the building name and the sign in the picture together.
Dan
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Date: Fri, 03 Jun 1994 16:11:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: ST40V@Jetson.UH.EDU
Subject: Re: Atavachron Digest Number 98
Has anyone ever transcribed any drum parts? I need help please.
Thank you,
Mark Lund
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From: ouij@triples.math.mcgill.ca (doritozilla)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 22:55:42 +1000
Subject: Re: Atavachron Digest Number 98
Regarding people bitching about allan's sound problems
from down under.
The only way most artists get to go do shows outside of
north america is if they leave most of their gear behind
and have the promoter provide the gear for them.
It is just financially impossible to fly the gear down.
just pretend that you have to send
your gear via FederalExpress each night.
so the drums, keyboards, amps are all provided for
by promoter.
When AH played the Montreal Jazz fest last summer, the band
was flown in just for the gig. Allan just had a guitar with
a small pedeal board playing through a fender twin
(same for skulli), and Chad just had
drum sticks. I can't remember if Steve just had floppy disks
or maybe a single keyboard. Essentialy the gear that they do
bring is what can be passed off as carry on luggage.
The show was so so texturally, it wasn't a full AH show but
it was better than nothing.
and that's the point, allan tries his best within the constrains
of reality.
ouij
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Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 01:39:04 -0400
From: al919@yfn.ysu.edu (Jeff Preston)
Subject: Re: Allan Holdsworth
Hi, folks!
I caught this on the Usenet newsgroup 'alt.guitar' tonight, and thought
someone on Atavachron might be able to point him to some good sources of
Allan's CDs in Australia. His e-mail address appears to be:
arishem@jolt.mpx.com.au .
Jeff
In a previous article, arishem@jolt.mpx.com.au (Marlon de Silva) says:
> Hi folks.
> I've only ever heard "snippets" of Allan's playing, and I
>really like what he does. Trouble is, I have NEVER seen any of his stuff
>available here in Sydney, so I'll have to make a trip in to an import
>shop, to order some material. If there are any Holdsworth fans who would
>recommend any of his CD's in particular, could you let me know? Preferably,
>I'd like one of his albums which is diverse in style... I think he's a
>fabulous player, and would like to see his playing at it's most diverse...
> Thanks in anticipation folks.
> Marlon.
>
>PS: Other guitarists I'd like some recommendations for:
> Tuck Andress, Vinnie Moore, Tony McAlpine, Steve Morse
> Thanks, Marlon.
--
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Date: Mon, 6 Jun 94 07:24:36 CDT
From: crispen@eight-ball.boeing.com (Bob Crispen)
Subject: Re: AD 96
barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) sez:
> I am tempted to take a photograph, but I don't think I can get
>bothp the building name and the sign in the picture together.
Time to try out that double-exposure button on your camera. If the
light's right, you can be at least as artistic as the cover on _Hard
Hat Area_.
Just a quick report, while you're on the line, that I'm happier with
HHA every time I hear it. It may even replace Metal Fatigue as my
recommendation for first time listeners.
+-------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
| Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen | Music should not be held responsible |
| crispen@foxy.boeing.com | for the people who listen to it. |
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From: Martin Boyd
Subject: Allan Holdsworth's violin
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 08:25:24 +0930 (CST)
Hi all!!
Just having another listen to Holdsworth IOU album and that track that
features Allan playing violin and Gary Husband on the piano. Has Allan
played violin on any other recordings ? He seems to be a very accomplished
violin player not unlike the style of Jean Luc-Ponty, which doesn't
surprise me seeing the magic they have made together.
Thanks for any info..
bye for now,
Martin Boyd
Information Technology Division
University of Adelaide
Email: martin@itd.adelaide.edu.au
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From: Jeff Preston
Subject: The bearer of bad tidings
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 94 21:16:54 EDT
Sorry to be the one, folks, but it looks like Allan will NOT be
touring the midwest/east coast this year. Claire wrote today to
say that Allan and his booking agent (Scott Southard, of Boston?)
have parted ways, and there will be no time to set up dates before
the European tour kicks off in October.
It's too bad we can't manage to use our networking savvy to get
him booked in 15 or so strategically-located clubs...
Jeff
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 94 09:53:33 -0500
From: uchima@fncrd8.fnal.gov (Mike Uchima)
Subject: Re: The bearer of bad tidings
> Sorry to be the one, folks, but it looks like Allan will NOT be
> touring the midwest/east coast this year. Claire wrote today to
> say that Allan and his booking agent (Scott Southard, of Boston?)
> have parted ways, and there will be no time to set up dates before
> the European tour kicks off in October.
Aaaarrghhh! How long is the European tour supposed to last? Any chance he'll
hit the midwest/east part of the US *after* the European tour? Early '95,
perhaps?
A live album, *please*!!
-- Mike Uchima
-- uchima@fnal.fnal.gov
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Date: Thu, 9 Jun 94 10:13:39 -0500
From: uchima@fncrd8.fnal.gov (Mike Uchima)
Subject: Re: Allan Holdsworth's violin
Martin Boyd wrote:
> Just having another listen to Holdsworth IOU album and that track that
> features Allan playing violin and Gary Husband on the piano. Has Allan
> played violin on any other recordings ? He seems to be a very accomplished
> violin player not unlike the style of Jean Luc-Ponty, which doesn't
> surprise me seeing the magic they have made together.
Well, there's some violin in "Karzie Key", on _Velvet Darkness_. He also does
a violin bit at the start of "Percolations: Part 1", on Gong's _Gazuese!_ (but
it's so short it's barely worth mentioning). There's an electric violin part
in "Forever Until Sunday", on Bruford's _One Of A Kind_; but I remember
someone commenting that this may have actually been played by Eddie Jobson,
even though Jobson isn't listed in the liner notes. I guess OOAK was recorded
right around the same time as the first U.K. album, so this is plausible...
I'm actually kind of surprised that he doesn't play more violin, given his
stated preference for a less "percussive" sound.
-- Mike Uchima
-- uchima@fnal.fnal.gov
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Date: Thu, 09 Jun 1994 19:36:37 CDT
From: "Alaric S. Haag - IMRlab System Manager and part-time Visigoth"
Subject: RE: The bearer of bad tidings
> From: MX%"atavachron@msuacad.morehead-st.edu" 8-JUN-1994 20:35:46.87
> Subj: The bearer of bad tidings
> Sorry to be the one, folks, but it looks like Allan will NOT be
> touring the midwest/east coast this year. Claire wrote today to
> say that Allan and his booking agent (Scott Southard, of Boston?)
> have parted ways, and there will be no time to set up dates before
> the European tour kicks off in October.
>
> It's too bad we can't manage to use our networking savvy to get
> him booked in 15 or so strategically-located clubs...
>
> Jeff
Rats!!! Double rats!!! I've been sitting back quietly reading the
bits about various performances, licking my chops all the while,
and waiting for an opportunity to invite Allan to an ideal club
here in Baton Rouge. Failing that, I figured he might return to
New Orleans.
He has played three times at a small bar here called The Chimes
but it's tiny, and his last gig there (with Paul Williams)
suffered from bad sound. He was really pissed that night. But
now, there is a small classic movie theater (ironically , it's
next door to the The Chimes) called The Varsity, that I really
think he would like. Leo Kottke played there, and had played the
Chimes as well, and came out saying that he felt "this place (the
Varsity) is much more humane".
Well, in case you can't tell, I'm going ahead and trying to use
the network to get him booked (in at least one strategically-
located club ;^) ) Please, pass this on!! Booking agents,
shmooking agents, I say!!
Ric
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From: C_HOARD@BAX.compuserve.com
Date: 10 Jun 94 15:01:31 EDT
Subject: A Few Words from Mr. Bruford
Greetings to the Atavachron & UK cadre... I'm posting this to both lists
as it involved both Bill Bruford's and Allan Holdsworth's reactions
to the UK reunion.
Also :I'm tempted to call up Victory Records and find out who's producing
the UK project--anybody out there know???
First comments on the below:
>From: AFCPeterS@aol.com
>> [As far as I know, Bozzio will *not* be involved with the UK
>> reunion, but rather it will be Simon Phillips and some
>> contributions from Bruford.]
Having spoken with both Bruford and Holdsworth during the past week,
neither *knew* about the UK reunion until I told them! Actually, of
the two--Bruford seemed the more openly negative about this project
coming to anything fruitful--so according to my conversation with
BB he is not in any way involved with the UK reunion--nor would he
have time to be, given his current commitments through '95 with
King Crimson.
>Whoops! Right you are! I had transposed Bozzio and Phillips in my head for
>some reason. (And they are very different drummers.) Well, let's just say
>that I'd like to hear Simon stretch the way Bozzio did on Polytown.
I don't think of either Phillips or Bozzio's as champions of "finesse"--
I wonder if anyone can recommend any projects where they considered
Phillips drumming to be outstanding, inventive, or stretching beyond
the concept of pure sport-drumming.
**************
BIGGER NEWS: Allan Holt with
the original band; he looks back on it as a worthwhile experiment
that didn't work in the end for a combination of musical and
personal reasons. This is the reason I'd like to contact the
producer of the project; obviously Holdsworth is not interested in
being a member of the band--but is generally positive on the
prospect of putting in a "guest" appearance--were the opportunity
to present itself. Wetton might object to the idea as there would
be no guitarist in a live context--but I suspect Jobson might be
open to the prospect of a guest solo or two by AH: maybe not.
************ A few excerpts of my recent Bruford Interview:
CH: There has been some resurgence of interest by American labels
in European jazz--I'm thinking of Polygram, and some of its
younger executives...
BB: Yeah. We kind of hooked up with a new Bruford/Holdsworth thing,
but it didn't quite come off.
CH: I talked to Allan about that at some length...
BB: I think Allan went ahead and signed on his own, didn't he?
CH: He turned down their offer, actually.
BB: Did he? You know somebody suggested it [the BB/AH project]
and it came accross my desk. Then I talked to Allan and thought
it sounded okay. And then nothing happened. Something went
wrong in the negotiation and a manager somewhere along the line
told me nothing had happened. And no hard feelings either with
Allan or Polygram--someday in the future perhaps we'll hook up.
CH: Specifically what it was--Allan told me both your manager and he
were looking for a bigger budget from Polygram; I think Allan
reviewed there proposed budget, accounted for expenses associated
with you being in the U.K. and him in the U.S., and thought there
was a good chance he'd wind up losing money.
BB: Sure. Well that's always on the backburner--a project like that.
And of course it will be a pleasure to play with the genius Holdsworth
again...
CH: I know Allan was really looking forward to working on a new project
with yourself [note: the agreed personnel had included Django Bates
and Skuli Sverrissen].
BB: You're in touch with Allan then?
CH: We get together for some ales every month or so...
BB: Well give him and Claire my regards, and tell him, I'm still not
quite sure why this didn't work out--but I hope it will the next
time around...
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All for the moment/cheers/Chris Hoard
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Atavachron Digest - The Allan Holdsworth Discussion Digest
Number 100
Wednesday, 15 June 1994
TODAY'S TOPICS:
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Re: Atavachron Digest Number 99
Simon Phillips
European tour???
EH?
Helping Allan get bookings
Re: EH?
Re: EH?
Re: Helping Allan get bookings
Tony Williams
Re: Helping Allan get bookings
Re: EH?
Re: Tony Williams
Re: Tony Williams
Re: Helping Allan get bookings
Re: Atavachron Digest Number 99
Bookings
Re: Bookings
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From: AFCPeterS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 94 23:26:00 EDT
Subject: Re: Atavachron Digest Number 99
> From: C_HOARD@BAX.compuserve.com Date: 10 Jun 94 15:01:31 EDT
> Subject: A Few Words from Mr. Bruford
>
> > Whoops! Right you are! I had transposed Bozzio and Phillips
> > in my head for some reason. (And they are very different
> > drummers.) Well, let's just say that I'd like to hear Simon
> > stretch the way Bozzio did on Polytown.
>
> I don't think of either Phillips or Bozzio's as champions of
> "finesse"-- I wonder if anyone can recommend any projects where
> they considered Phillips drumming to be outstanding, inventive,
> or stretching beyond the concept of pure sport-drumming.
I've never heard anything of Simon's I've preferred to the 801 Live album,
frankly, which is still pretty sporty but at least appropriate. As for Bozzio
- who I had pretty much dismissed as a fine drum mechanic myself - give
Polytown a listen before making that same judgment.
Peter Stoller
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Date: Sun, 12 Jun 94 05:01:37 PDT
From: uk438@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Graeme McIntryre)
Subject: Simon Phillips
Okay, this has very little to do with Allan, but... I
enjoy Simon's playing a great deal. However, I feel he is a guy
that wouldn't be well suited to playing with Allan. I get the
feeling he's happier pounding away in straight time. Although
Gary Husband does hit hard, stylistically he is oceans apart from
Simon. A great example of Simon's style is on "Amazing Journey"
on Join Together (1989 Live Album).... I swear Pete told him to go
completely beserk on this one before they did it.
By the way, does anyone know what guitar/amp combos were
used on HHA? Especially on Prelude..... man, I love that tone!!!
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From: Mr M P Hughes
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 94 10:10:25 BST
Subject: European tour???
Hi all,
This European tour thingie.... any UK (country, not band!!!) dates announced
yet?
Thanks,
Michael
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 08:07:22 -0600
From: smonroe@n33.ecae.stortek.com
Subject: EH?
On 10 Jun 94 15:01:31 EDT,
C_HOARD@BAX.compuserve.com
wrote:
/I don't think of either Phillips or Bozzio's as champions of "finesse"--
/I wonder if anyone can recommend any projects where they considered
/Phillips drumming to be outstanding, inventive, or stretching beyond
/the concept of pure sport-drumming.
Well, Chris, I can't answer your critique of Phillips, but
I think you are all wet regarding Bozzio. Terry Bozzio is the
master of "finesse." Don't forget that Terry is the first
human being to play Frank Zappa's "The Black Page." If that
isn't finesse, I dunno...perhaps your definition of "finesse"
and mine are orthogonal.
Also, Terry's work with The Lonely Bears, and most recently
PolyTown, not to mention his solo performances, are superlative
particularly with respect to the concept of "finesse." Hmmmm,
methinks you are basing your opinion on limited information.
In all of Allan's solo projects, he has never played with a
drummer at Terry's level... Never.
sjm
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 10:32:17 -0800
From: napier@de.UCSD.EDU (Jim Napier)
Subject: Helping Allan get bookings
In Atavachron #99, Jeff Preston wrote -
>It's too bad we can't manage to use our networking savvy to get
>him booked in 15 or so strategically-located clubs...
Why can't we? I personally know nothing about managing musicians or
organizing concerts but it looks to me from all I've read here that a lot
of people Holdsworth is dealing with aren't doing that great a job anyway.
What's possibly more important is that we'd care enough to do our best to
make things go right. Is there anyone who is reading this that knows enough
about such things to help us mobilize? This is quite an optimistic effort
perhaps but what the hell. If nothing else it's certainly an exciting
prospect to consider.
And while we're at it how much would it take to help produce an album? I've
also read here about problems finding funds to get new albums out. Suppose
all the netters contributed some small donation to a recording project of
Holdsworth's choice? Are there enough Atavachron readers out there or
others interested in Allan's work to help make a significant dent in the
expense associated with recording?
Ok, so maybe this is outrageous to think about. But if we could even
partially accomplish something like this it would certainly break some new
ground in the use of the Internet!
Jim
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 94 14:10:25 +0100
From: "Bob Lynch"
Subject: Re: EH?
>
> In all of Allan's solo projects, he has never played with a
> drummer at Terry's level... Never.
>
>sjm
>
Hhhmmmm....
Don't tell Tony Williams that!
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 94 14:26:20 -0500
From: uchima@fncrd8.fnal.gov (Mike Uchima)
Subject: Re: EH?
"Bob Lynch" wrote:
> > In all of Allan's solo projects, he has never played with a
> > drummer at Terry's level... Never.
> >
> >sjm
> >
> Hhhmmmm....
>
> Don't tell Tony Williams that!
Weeell... I certainly wouldn't d call the Lifetime albums Holdsworth "solo"
projects. If you're gonna open things up to *any* drummer he's ever played
with, I'd have to say I prefer Bruford over Tony Williams.
-- Mike Uchima
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 15:54:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: X90LESAGE@wmich.edu
Subject: Re: Helping Allan get bookings
I'm very enthusiastic about supporting a future AH recording project,
although my contribution would be rather modest unfortunately. If
producing a CD is too expensive, how about funding a limited rerelease
of Road Games, of which I still do not have a copy! 8(
Regarding bookings, I would love to set up a gig here in Kalamazoo, MI.
Kalamazoo is strategically located equidistant (well give or take about
an hours drive) between Detroit and Chicago on I-94. Allan has played
here a few time before at the same club (Club Soda). I could talk to
the guy that books the gigs at that club. What da ya say!!!?
Mark LeSage
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From: Jeff Preston
Subject: Tony Williams
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 94 16:18:39 EDT
> From: uchima@fncrd8.fnal.gov (Mike Uchima)
> Subject: Re: EH?
> Weeell... I certainly wouldn't d call the Lifetime albums Holdsworth "solo"
> projects.
Of course not. I think Mr. Lynch was alluding to Williams' appearance
on "Looking Glass," from _Atavachron_.
Jeff
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From: Jeff Preston
Subject: Re: Helping Allan get bookings
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 94 16:27:25 EDT
> Regarding bookings, I would love to set up a gig here in Kalamazoo, MI.
> Kalamazoo is strategically located equidistant (well give or take about
> an hours drive) between Detroit and Chicago on I-94. Allan has played
> here a few time before at the same club (Club Soda). I could talk to
> the guy that books the gigs at that club. What da ya say!!!?
Well, I think everyone would like to help out and see a tour come
together this summer/fall, but I'm not very optimistic. There are a
lot of logistical problems to overcome, which is why one uses a
booking agent to begin with! :) It's one thing to get commitments
from club owners in 15 different cities, but quite another to make
sure that they're in some sort of sane geographical order (and not
so far apart from one another that it would entail driving all night
to get to the next gig), and getting the dates in the proper proximity
of one another.
I'm just guessing, but I'd say if Allan says there's not enough time
before October (when the European tour starts -- in the U.K., in answer
to Michael's earlier question) to put this together, he probably knows
what he's talking about. Elsewise, he'd probably just contact another
booking agent and get the dates set up.
Jeff
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 94 16:31:46 +0100
From: "Bob Lynch"
Subject: Re: EH?
Well, Tony did play on "Atavachron", (Looking Glass). Seemed like a solo
album to me. This isn't a matter of preference. To say that Allan "has never
played with a drummer at Terry's level... Never" is getting back into a
childish "my favorite is better than your favorite" unwinnable and
unprovable argument. I'm sure that Allan will always play with whoever he
feels can best fit the bill at the time, and we should all trust his judgement.
BTW; no Bozzio trashing meant from me. Terry is, of course, a greatly
talented player.
>"Bob Lynch" wrote:
>> > In all of Allan's solo projects, he has never played with a
>> > drummer at Terry's level... Never.
>> >
>> >sjm
>> >
>> Hhhmmmm....
>>
>> Don't tell Tony Williams that!
>
>Weeell... I certainly wouldn't d call the Lifetime albums Holdsworth "solo"
>projects. If you're gonna open things up to *any* drummer he's ever played
>with, I'd have to say I prefer Bruford over Tony Williams.
>
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>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 94 15:41:02 -0500
From: uchima@fncrd8.fnal.gov (Mike Uchima)
Subject: Re: Tony Williams
> Of course not. I think Mr. Lynch was alluding to Williams' appearance
> on "Looking Glass," from _Atavachron_.
>
> Jeff
Oops, my mistake; apologies to all. Next time, I'll check my handy copy of
the Allan Holdsworth Discography before posting! :)
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 94 16:39:05 +0100
From: "Bob Lynch"
Subject: Re: Tony Williams
Thank you, Mr. Preston!
>> From: uchima@fncrd8.fnal.gov (Mike Uchima)
>> Subject: Re: EH?
>
>> Weeell... I certainly wouldn't d call the Lifetime albums Holdsworth "solo"
>> projects.
>
> Of course not. I think Mr. Lynch was alluding to Williams' appearance
> on "Looking Glass," from _Atavachron_.
>
> Jeff
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Date: Tue, 14 Jun 1994 11:36:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: X90LESAGE@wmich.edu
Subject: Re: Helping Allan get bookings
Has there been any talk about a midwest/east coast tour AFTER the
European tour?
BTW, I realize the virtual impossibility of scheduling a tour via the
internet, but I'm sure you understand why we really wanted to try 8-)
Mark LeSage
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Date: 15 Jun 1994 11:54:11 EST
From: "GBest01"
Subject: Re: Atavachron Digest Number 99
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to nn=atavachron-request@msuacad.morehead-st.edu
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If we find a club interested in booking Allan et al, who should we (or they)
contact with the information?
Thanks,
Gb
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From: Jeff Preston
Subject: Bookings
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 94 12:21:04 EDT
> If we find a club interested in booking Allan et al, who should we (or they)
> contact with the information?
You can pass that information along to me, if you can get all of the
following:
* Name and address of venue
* Name, phone number and hours of person responsible for bookings
* Approximate seating capacity of venue
I don't hold much hope for this amounting to anything, but if enough
people respond, we could give it a shot and present a plan to Allan.
Jeff
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Date: Wed, 15 Jun 94 13:06:13 EDT
From: Sohel Taufique
Subject: Re: Bookings
Hi Jeff,
I was cleaning out my email box today and ran across a posting about Allan's
doublenecked Steinberger .zip file at ftp.uwp.edu. I checked the site under
pub/incoming/lists/atavachron/images/dblneck.zip but couldn't locate it.
Has it been moved to a new site? Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Simon
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From: Jeff Preston
Subject: ftp.uwp.edu
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 94 14:03:55 EDT
> I was cleaning out my email box today and ran across a posting about Allan's
> doublenecked Steinberger .zip file at ftp.uwp.edu. I checked the site under
> pub/incoming/lists/atavachron/images/dblneck.zip but couldn't locate it.
> Has it been moved to a new site? Any info would be appreciated.
It's been so long since I was able to connect to ftp.uwp.edu that I
have all but given up on it. I think they were running out of space,
and consequently the new archives I was posting there were not getting
added to the 'holdsworth.allan' directory.
For now, you can get a UUEncoded copy of this via e-mail from
listserv@msuacad.morehead-st.edu by sending the following text as
the first line in an e-mail message:
get atavachron dblneck.pcx
Hopefully we will have anonymous FTP available here in the near
future. All of the image files will also be available via our upcoming
WWW server, as well.
Jeff
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