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Atavachron Digest 4/93
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 93 00:00:02 EDT
From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Atavachron Digest #47
To: Jeff Preston
Atavachron Digest - The Allan Holdsworth Discussion List
Volume 2, Number 47
Thursday April 1st, 1993
TODAY'S TOPICS:
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Holdsworth guitar sound !
Holdsworth - anyone similar ?
Holdsworth in Scotland
Touring itinerary for Europe and Japan
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 93 07:45:02 +0100
From: "Pete Cole"
Subject: Holdsworth guitar sound !
Something for Ron (couldn't get through by email!)
Hi Ron,
For that "authentic" Holdsworth guitar sound, I'd recommend that you pop into a
guitar shop and try playing through a compressor unit (gives the sustain). Add
some distortion (for more sustain and, well, distortion), and Bob's your
auntie's live-in-lover.
Hope this helps !
Pete
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 93 07:49:10 +0100
From: "Pete Cole"
Subject: Holdsworth - anyone similar ?
Hi there : something for steve@mcdd1@ibmpcug (nothing appears to be getting
through today !) :
Not likely ! The man is *totally* unique. Thank goodness !
But if you want to try something different (but by another totally inspired
guitarist who sounds like nobody else, has been around for ages, but nobody
ever seems to listen to etc), look out for Cloud About Mercury by David Torn,
on ECM. Bill Bruford plays on it, but that's about the only link to Holdsworth
apart from the incredible music, and (of course) OTT guitar.
This has been a public service announcement !
Have fun,
Pete
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 93 9:38:17 BST
From: gnaa38@aero.gla.ac.uk (Paul Porcelli)
Subject: Holdsworth in Scotland
I dont know if there is anyone else on the list from Scotland but this amy also
interest any Holdsworth fans in hte UK.
I picked up a brochure for the Glasgow Mayfest today and to my sheer delight
discovered that Alan and the band will be playing at the Renfrew Ferry on the
21st of May. The show is at 7pm and tickets are 7pouds or 5pounds with a
concession. I last saw Alan in Manchester last year and for anyone who hasnt
seen him live i urge you to get a ticket. The man defies belief. Ive never seen
a guitarist with so much musicality, technique and raw emotion. If youre a
guitarist this will be THE gig of youre life.
The credit card hotline is : 041-227-5511.
All the best,
Paul Porcelli
Technical Programmer
Dept of Aerospace Engineering
University of Glasgow
Tel: 041-339-8855 (x4345)
..
QUIT
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 93 19:45:24 EDT
From: preston@morekypr.morehead-st.edu
Subject: Touring itinerary for Europe and Japan
I received a fax today from Akira Yada with Allan's itinerary for
Europe *and* Japan for April and May. All of the dates for May were
garbled (looks like Akira's fax machine was having a bad day), but I
will call Akira this evening and ask him to re-send those dates.
I'll tell you what I can "decode" from the May dates, but don't take
them as gospel truth until I get a confirmation, please. Anyway, I
decided to go ahead and distribute the digest, since we do have some
Italian readers, and those are the first dates coming up.
Also, almost no venues were listed, so those of you who plan on
attending any shows should probably check with local newspapers or
radio stations ahead of time to get the venue and ticket information.
Mon 4/5 Arrive Rome/Sicily
Tue 4/6 Rehersal Sicily
Wed 4/7 Palermo Sicily
Thu 4/8 Catania Sicily
Fri 4/9 Rome Italy
Sat 4/10 Rome Italy
Sun 4/11 Umbertide Italy
Mon 4/12 Ravenna
Wed 4/14 Zurich Switzerland
Thu 4/15 Basel
Fri 4/16 Paris France
Sat 4/17 Nancy
Sun 4/18 Karlsruhe, Jubez Germany
Mon 4/19 Hanover
Tue 4/20 Copenhagen
Wed 4/21 Oslo Norway
Thu 4/22 Uppsala Sweden
Fri 4/23 Stockholm
Sat 4/24 Depart Stockholm
Sun 4/25 Arrive Tokyo
Tue 4/27 Rehersal
Wed 4/28 Osaka
Fri 4/30 Tokyo
Here's where it gets fuzzy, but it looks like 5/1/93 - 5/5/93 might
be Tokyo dates, then:
Thu 5/6 Depart Tokyo/Arrive Stockholm
Fri 5/7 Depart Stockholm/Arrive England
Then it looks like he's off until
Thu 5/13 London (?)
Fri 5/14 London (?)
Sat 5/15 London (?)
Sun 5/16 B______ham (?)
Mon 5/17 Manchester (?)
Tue 5/18 Manchester (?)
Wed 5/19 (?)
Thu 5/20 (?)
Fri 5/21 (?) (+)
Sat 5/22 (?)
Sun 5/23 Bath Jazz Fest (*)
Mon 5/24 (?)
Tue 5/25 Home
(?) = totally (or almost totally) unreadable parts of the fax; will
call Akira for confirmation on these dates
(*) = barely readable, but Martin Ley reported this date earlier in
March
(+) = see previous post by Paul Porcelli in this digest
That's all for now... hey, send in a post, why dontcha? These
new subscribers are probably thinking we're a pretty boring bunch! :)
I would be trying to start a thread here, but I have my hands VERY
full learning all about Unix, and the little details which will make
Atavachron's new home much nicer place than its current one (you say
you want a server? FTP? It's all on the way!). Keep watching this
digest for details...
Tidbits: Am also talking to Mark Varney about Internet access... he
may soon be telling us his own Holdsworth story "in the phosphor," as
it were. :)
Jeff
--
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 23:00:06 EDT
From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Atavachron Digest #48
To: Jeff Preston
Atavachron Digest - The Allan Holdsworth Discussion List
Volume 2, Number 48
Thursday April 15th, 1993
TODAY'S TOPICS:
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ARGH!
forwarded message from MAILER-DAEMON@uu4.psi.com
*unknown*
Allan Holdsworth Response
Holdsworth discography
extended scales learning tool
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 02:48:29 -0500
From: wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: ARGH!
You mean Allan can do a pan-European tour, a complete USA tour
and Japan but *not* Canada!!?!?!?!?!????!
BLAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
______________Anil_Prasad___wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca_______________
"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who
can't talk for people who can't read." -- Frank Zappa (1980)
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1993 14:22:58 -0800
From: rpeck@pure.com (Ray Peck)
Subject: forwarded message from MAILER-DAEMON@uu4.psi.com
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"Pete Cole" writes:
>But if you want to try something different (but by another totally inspired
>guitarist who sounds like nobody else, has been around for ages, but nobody
>ever seems to listen to etc), look out for Cloud About Mercury by David Torn,
>on ECM. Bill Bruford plays on it, but that's about the only link to Holdsworth
>apart from the incredible music, and (of course) OTT guitar.
I second this recommendation. This is a *great* album. It's closer to
Jon Hassell than Holdsworth, though.
Any other David Torn recommendations? I picked up his new one, which
stinks, and was very disappointed.
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 93 22:13:39 EST
From: mccabe@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Chris Mccabe)
Subject: *unknown*
About the question on how to get a Holdsworth type sound
from your equipment - this is something that I have been trying
to do for a while, with very limited success. I only have
very modest equipment (cheap Fender amp, Yamaha (Fx 80?)
DSP, and an American Fender Strat.), so, this makes it
harder ofcourse. Now, my DSP has around 80 preprogrammed sounds
built in, and of these, around 5 or 6 are similar to the Alan's
tone. Most of these sounds are all distortion/chrous, distortion/
reverb, and distortion/delay based, and all include some compression
and equalization. Of these, one or two sound vaguely like what
Alan's sound is like, but the more familiar you are with Alan's
sound, the more you notice the little differences.
I have been told that there are expensive Digital Signal Processors
that actually have a built in Holdsworth effect, but I have never
heard any. A couple things I really like about Holdsworth unique
tone is the uncanny control he has over the attack/delay of the
notes he is playing. For example, the opening "theme" (for lack
of a better description) of "Proto Cosmos" is an example of this
incredible control. Another characteristic about his sound that
I like is how smooth his distortion is, without sounding to
grainy (excess noise), and his sax-like tone.
Chris.
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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1993 01:40:27 -0600
From: Michael A Galler
Subject: Allan Holdsworth Response
Its good to see that there's someone else who likes Holdsy write about him on th
e network. At first I was somewhat angry because I
thought that you, like so many other people, did not know how to spell his
name. I was glad to see I was wrong.
Do you know if Holdsworth has a live album? I have seen him live twice
and just love him live. If you do know of a live album, could you tell
me what label and CD number I can use to get it. Also, do you have
a complete discography of his stuff, I would like to get everything he has
ever played on, but am having trouble finding out everything he's played
on. Please send this if you have it on computer. Thanks.
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 10:53:30 -0800
From: napier@de.UCSD.EDU (Jim Napier)
Subject: Holdsworth discography
When I first joined this list a number of months ago a definitive Holdsworth
discography was being compiled. Did that ever get completed? If so, I'd
like a copy.
[ Moderator's reply: Quite unlike the initial "tracking down" phase of ]
[ project, no one has volunteered any detailed information so far. ]
[ Perhaps no one owns or has access to any of the remaining releases ]
[ which have incomplete entries. Consequently, all the detailed ]
[ information I have comes from the CDs and LPs which I myself own, ]
[ and I am about a dozen or so short of having all of the legitimate ]
[ releases. Allan has promised to "fill in the blanks" in our ]
[ discography on a couple of occasions; the last couple of times I've ]
[ asked him about it, he says something to the effect of "Oh yeah! I ]
[ keep *forgetting* to look that stuff over..." and of course I hate ]
[ to bother him with it any more than necessary. However, I'll make it ]
[ a point to remind him about this again when I get another ]
[ opportunity to talk to him. For the time being, here's a copy of the ]
[ completed portion; anyone who has information on the incomplete ]
[ entries is encouraged to contact me (please!). --JP ]
-=O=-
ALLAN HOLDSWORTH DISCOGRAPHY (last updated 10/18/92)
===============================================================================
As a band leader:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Velvet Darkness
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(c) 1976; CTI 6068
(c) 1990; Epic/Associated ZK 45482 (CD reissue) [AAD/ADD]
I.O.U.
======
(c) 1982; Luna Crack AH-100
(c) 1985; Enigma CDE-73252 (CD reissue) [AAD]
Road Games (EP, vinyl only)
==========
(c) 1983; Warner Bros. 23959 1B
Metal Fatigue
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(c) 1985; Enigma 72002-2 [AAD]
Atavachron
==========
(c) 1986; Enigma 72064-2 [AAD]
Sand
====
(c) 1987; Relativity 88561-8152-2 [no SPARS code]
Secrets
=======
(c) 1989; Intima 7 73328-2 [AAD]
Wardenclyffe Tower
==================
(c) 1992; Restless 7 72537-2 [AAD]
As a collaborator:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
with Gordon Beck --
With A Heart In My Song
=======================
(c) 1988; Gramaphone/JMS R2 79464 [DDD]
** The Things You See/Sunbird JMS (??)
with Frank Gambale --
** The Mark Varney Project: Truth In Shredding Legato
As a guest performer:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
** Jack Bruce A Question of Time Epic
with Bruford --
Feels Good To Me
================
(c) 1977; E'G EGCD 33 [AAD]
One of a Kind
=============
(c) 1979; E'G EGCD 40 [AAD]
with Bill Bruford --
Master Strokes 1978-1985
========================
(c) 1986; E'G EGCD 67 [AAD]
** Ian Carr Belladonna Vertigo
with Stanley Clarke --
If This Bass Could Only Talk
============================
(c) 1988; Portrait RK 40923 [no SPARS code]
with Gong --
Gazeuse! (a/k/a Expresso)
======== ========
(c) 1976; Virgin CDV 2074 [AAD]
Expresso II
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(c) 1978; Virgin CDV 2099 [AAD]
Time Is The Key
===============
(c) 1979; Great Expectations/BMG/Arista PIPCD 018 [no SPARS code]
** Stu Hamm Radio Free Albemuth Relativity
** Igginbottom Igginbottom's Wrench ? ? ?
with Level 42 --
Guaranteed
==========
(c) 1991; BMG/RCA 0-7683-61033-2 [no SPARS code]
** Andrea Marcelli Silent Will Verve/?
with Alex Masi --
Attack of the Neon Shark
========================
(c) 1989; Enigma/Metal Blade 7 73410-2 [AAD]
with Jean-Luc Ponty --
** Jean-Luc Ponty Enigmatic Ocean Atlantic
Individual Choice
=================
(c) 1983; Atlantic 7 80098-2 [no SPARS code]
** Jon St. James Fast Impressions Enigma
with Soft Machine --
Bundles
=======
(c) 1975; 1990; See For Miles Records CD 283 [no SPARS code]
** Soft Machine Land Of Cockayne EMI (U.K.)
** Soma Soma Occidental
with John Stevens --
Touching On
===========
(c) 1977; Konnex KCD 5023 (German import) [no SPARS code]
** John Stevens Conversation Piece View (German)
** John Stevens Retouch View (German)
** Strange Advance The Distance Between ? ? ?
** Tempest Tempest Warner Bros.
with U.K. --
U.K.
====
(c) 1978; E'G EGCD 35 [AAD]
with Various Artists --
Guitar's Practicing Musicians
=============================
(c) 1989; Guitar Recordings 88561-5012-2 [no SPARS code]
with Tony Williams Lifetime --
Believe It
==========
(c) 1975; Columbia PC 33836
Million Dollar Legs
===================
(c) 1976; Columbia PC 34263
The Collection
==============
(c) 1992; Columbia/Legacy CK 47484 [no SPARS code]
[a reissue of Million Dollar Legs and Believe It on one CD]
with Carl Verheyen --
No Borders
==========
(c) 1988; Chase Music Group CMD 8012 [no SPARS code]
with Chad Wackerman --
Forty Reasons
=============
(c) 1991; CMP CD 48 [DDD]
** Jeff Watson Lone Ranger Shrapnel
-=O=-
I've noticed talk about an upcoming ftp site Other than back issues of
Atavachron, what will the site have?
[ Moderator's reply: Good question. :) The discography will be ]
[ there (or what's completed of it, I should say), as well as a file ]
[ which lists mail order sources for the legitimate releases. With the ]
[ exception of placing lists of sources for illegitimate recordings ]
[ in there, I'm open to suggestion. Member-transcribed tablature? ]
[ GIF/graphics files? Hey... who knows? It's a good topic for ]
[ discussion... let's hear from everyone on this. --JP ]
Sorry if this has been discussed already; I haven't had a chance to keep up
with this electronic newsletter for awhile.
Jim Napier
UC San Diego
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 17:33:45 PDT
From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
Subject: extended scales learning tool
Browsing through an ftp site some time ago, I came accross some PostScript
code that printed out various scale forms.
I have since modified it to support the kind of double octave scales that
Allan Holdsworth has often spoken about.
The heart of the code is not mine and I wish it was documented with the
author's name & address as he/she deserves some credit from satisfied users
such as myself.
Write to me if you are interested in a copy. Regards!
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Who welcomes interest from Internet users in his group's tape of adventurous,
electric jazz. Write for details.
"Very, very good avant fusion..."
Guitar Player Magazine, October 1991
Reader's Soundpage Competition
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 09:30:08 EDT
From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Atavachron Digest #49
To: Jeff Preston
Atavachron Digest - The Allan Holdsworth Discussion List
Volume 2, Number 49
Tuesday April 20th, 1993
TODAY'S TOPICS:
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54 Duncan Terrace transcription
Copy of Velvet Darkness needed
RE: discography compilation
Posts for Atavachron Digest
Fwd: David Torn discography
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 17:25:57 PDT
From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
Subject: 54 Duncan Terrace transcription
Hope you all enjoy this one! Regards.
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Who welcomes interest in his group's tape of adventurous, electric jazz
music from other Internet users. Write for details.
"Very, very good avant fusion..."
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Reader's Soundpage Competition
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========================= 54 Duncan Terrace ===========================
========================= Allan Holdsworth ============================
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This laid back tune is from the Secrets album and features Vinnie
Colaiuta on drums, Jimmy Johnson on bass, and Allan Holdsworth
on guitar. The soloists are: Alan Pasqua on piano, JJ on bass, and
AH on SynthAxe controlled synthesizers (a layered, plucked harp sound).
There is also a version of this tune on the There's A Heart In My Song
album on JMS by Gordon Beck & Allan Holdsworth. With its slightly
extended form featuring a piano solo and a reedy SynthAxe solo, this
version of the is more introspective.
The structure of the tune on the Secrets album is:
Intro: drum fill... I, I, III (head),
Piano Solo: I, II, IV, I, II, III
Bass Solo: I, II, IV
SynthAxe Solo: I, II
Outro: III... end chord!
Part II is a development of the kinds of phrases in part I. The basic
chordal movement in Part III, the head of the tune, is used for part IV.
It is transposed a half step down and is presented without the passing
chords... Really beautifully put together!
I've marked the location of the first dramatic splash with !!! in part I.
On clean guitar it might be played as a B5 chords. I suggest:
(x, 2nd fret B, 4th fret F#, x, open string B, x)
When comping over this section, part I, for solos the following more
colourful voicing seems to be played by AH:
(x, x, 11th fret C#, 8th fret D#, 7th fret F#, x)
The chord marked by ()()(), again in part I, could, in the
solo sections, be replaced by this D# minor 9th:
(11th fret D#, 9th fret G#, x, 10th fret E, x, 9th fret C#)
The chord marked by [][][] in part II, when comping, seems (?) to
be replaced by:
(9th fret C#, 11th fret G#, x, 8th fret D#, 5th fret E, x)
As I haven't made any attempt at transcribing the rhythmic aspects,
just the voicings and harmonies, you will require a certain familiarity
with the tune.
Enjoy! Write with comments and requests!
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========================= 54 Duncan Terrace ===========================
========================= Allan Holdsworth ============================
=======================================================================
I: ()()()
x x x x 5 2 x x 6 x
7 7 7 7 8 3 0 7 7 7 9
7 7 9 9 7 6 7 10 6 x 12
x x x x x x 7 x x x
4 4 5 5 x x x 13 8 15
x x x x 6 5 3 11 x 13
()()()
II: !!! [][][]
x x x x 5 x x x 6 0
7 7 5 5 8 0 0 7 7 10 2
7 7 4 4 7 x 7 10 13 4
x x x x x 4 7 x x x
4 4 3 3 x 2 x 13 16 x
x x x x 6 x 3 11 14 5
!!! [][][]
5 x x x x
5 6 9 8 6
5 7 12 8 6
x 10 x x x
x x 15 13 9
1 6 13 11 7
III: (head)
x x x x 5 x x x x x 5 3
10 7 3 5 5 7 10 7 3 5 5 6
12 9 5 7 x 9 12 9 5 7 5
12 9 5 7 9 12 9 5 7 x
x x x x x x x x x x
14 11 7 8 10 14 11 7 8 4
IV: (The 'just' of the chord progression of the head
transposed down a half step. It is solo'd over by
piano & bass in the sequence: I, II, IV)
x x 4 6 x x 4
9 2 4 4 8 9 2 4 4
11 4 6 8 11 4 6
11 4 6 8 11 4 6
x x x x x x x
13 6 7 9 13 6 7
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========================= 54 Duncan Terrace ===========================
========================= Allan Holdsworth ============================
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 23:26:56 -0400
From: wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad)
Subject: Copy of Velvet Darkness needed
I can't seem to find a copy of Velvet Darkness on CD anywhere.
Can some kind net person help me out?
______________Anil_Prasad___wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca_______________
"I have a serious drug problem at the moment. I can't get hold
of any!" --- Lemmy, Motorhead
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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 08:43:19 -0400
From: rardin%bad.dnet@auriga
Subject: RE: discography compilation
Regarding the compilation of a Holdsworth discography, Jeff wrote:
[ Moderator's reply: Quite unlike the initial "tracking down" phase of ]
[ project, no one has volunteered any detailed information so far. ]
[ Perhaps no one owns or has access to any of the remaining releases ]
[ which have incomplete entries...
How detailed does the information need to be, Jeff? Are you interested in
personnel, titles of tunes, track timings, producer, etc.? If you want to
fully flesh out the discography, it might be a good idea to post a "form" for
entries so that list members can plug in their data. You could periodically
post a list of titles for which you're still lacking data and list members
could send any info they have to you (or whomever puts the list together).
-Lynn
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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 08:49:34 -0400
From: cutair@ubeulx.ub.umd.edu (Andre Cutair)
Subject: Posts for Atavachron Digest
All:
I'm new to the list (thanks, Elliot and Jeff!), so I thought I'd
jump right in with a few thoughts ...
>From: mccabe@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Chris Mccabe)
>About the question on how to get a Holdsworth type sound
>from your equipment - this is something that I have been trying
>to do for a while, with very limited success. I only have
>very modest equipment (cheap Fender amp, Yamaha (Fx 80?)
>DSP, and an American Fender Strat.), so, this makes it
>harder ofcourse.
The equipment certainly has something to do with it, but equally
important, IMHO, is Allan's technique. Listen to the last two notes
in the guitar solo from "Joshua" (on the "Secrets" album): it could
be just my phonograph (yes, I've got it on vinyl - don't laugh!),
but I hear a distinct "trilling" going on. I don't have any idea
how Allan does this, although it appears in a couple other songs,
but I'm almost certain it's not equipment induced.
As Eddie Van Halen constantly reminds us in his playing, a picked
note and a pull-off/hammer on sound wildly different. The amount
of pressure the fretting hand applies can produce a variety of
tones. I hear a lot of this in Allan's work. The solo on "Sphere
of Innocence" (from "Wardenclyffe Tower) is a good example. As I
believe Allan mentions in a recent "Guitar Player" interview, simply
placing the fingers on the frets as the notes sustain, that is,
letting the pressure of each finger excite the string, as opposed to
picking it, will yield a more legato sound.
>From: napier@de.UCSD.EDU (Jim Napier)
>I've noticed talk about an upcoming ftp site Other than back issues of
>Atavachron, what will the site have?
> [ Moderator's reply: Good question. :) The discography will be ]
> [ there (or what's completed of it, I should say), as well as a file ]
> [ which lists mail order sources for the legitimate releases. With the ]
> [ exception of placing lists of sources for illegitimate recordings ]
> [ in there, I'm open to suggestion. Member-transcribed tablature? ]
> [ GIF/graphics files? Hey... who knows? It's a good topic for ]
> [ discussion... let's hear from everyone on this. --JP ]
Tablature, please! I'll certainly never figure it out on my own. :) The
one by Elliot (Freedman - "Looking Glass" tab) is wonderful and gives me
a challenge whenever I pick up the guitar in the evenings.
Tour schedules, too. I don't have the "connections" that a lot of you seem
to: I found out about a local stop last Fall purely by luck!
Thanks!
Andre M. Cutair
University of Baltimore Law School
cutair@ubeulx.ub.umd.edu
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Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 07:57:30 +0100
From: "Pete Cole"
Subject: Fwd: David Torn discography
HI Jeff,
I tried sending a reply to rpeck@pure.com r.e. the mention of David Torn in the
Atavachron mailing list ... no luck getting through !
Is there any chance that you could forward the included message on to him from
your end ? I think that it's too big / inappropriate for the list proper ...
besides, I didn't write the discography !
The next paragraph however IS for the Atavachron list ... !
I have got Sunbird / The Things You See on LP, I'll try and send you the
details within the fortnight. I'm not too keen on Sunbird, but I *love* the
Things You See. The first track is just *amazing*. Incidentally, it always
puzzled me how many times the basic song / theme for the track *The Things You
See* comes up. It's on the "The Things You See" album (sung by Allan), it's on
Gazeuze!, it's on IOU ... and I seem to recall snippets of the piece on Velvet
Darkness ... anybody got any ideas on why this is ? Like, the man is hardly
short of ideas ... so why keep using the same basic piece of music ?
Thanks and best wishes,
Pete
---- Included Message ----
[David Torn discography forwarded and deleted at sender's request --JP]
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 09:30:08 EDT
From: atavachron@morekypr
Subject: Atavachron Digest #50
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Atavachron Digest - The Allan Holdsworth Discussion List
Volume 2, Number 50
Tuesday April 27th, 1993
TODAY'S TOPICS:
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Wanted: ROAD GAMES
velvet acoustic
David Torn's Guitar Player Soundsheet
Looking for a volunteer Re: the discography / Using REPLY
Re: Holdsworth Discs
Re: Atavachron Digest #48
Re: Atavachron Digest #48
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 12:08:24 EDT
From: milst1@cislabs.pitt.edu
Subject: Wanted: ROAD GAMES
Hiya Holds-gang-
I've been looking for Road Games at various old vinyl stores, as has my
s.o. (significant other) in NYC but she nor I have come up with anything.
Does anyone know where there is a copy for sale? I'd really appreciate any
info. Thanks. Just email directly to:
lewison@pitt.edu
Martin Lewison
University of Pittsburgh
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 12:29:41 -0400
From: battlec@cs.rpi.edu
Subject: velvet acoustic
I think that if Allan doesnt want us to run out and buy Velvet Darkness
he should release more acoustic guitar songs. The Acoustic work on VD is
the ONLY reason to get it, the rest of it is crap.
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 12:42:36 PDT
From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman)
Subject: David Torn's Guitar Player Soundsheet
For me, Cloud About Mercury was one of the most important albums. Torn, on
that album, influenced by that lineup and the ECM attitude, creates what I
can only describe as 'outworldly' music. Those insane inflections & the
use of the harmonizer... and I think the tunes are really well crafted.
Torn did a Soundsheet for guitar player magazine a few years ago. It's a
piece done in his home studio with sampled guitar bass lines, looping,
synth (Linda McCartney) finger-style drums (actually quite cool the repeating
line that he plays), and an outrageous, terrific solo. I believe the
piece was called No Borders.
I wonder how he's doing. Apparantly Steve Tibbetts, the equally cool (his
music is much more primal, less electric, and more dynamic) Minneapolis-based
guitar player / ECM artist, did a benefit for Torn about a year ago. I had
heard that Tibbetts worked in a twin cities record shop.
Later,
Elliot Freedman
freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 93 02:41:24 EDT
From: Jeff Preston
Subject: Looking for a volunteer Re: the discography / Using REPLY
>From: rardin%bad.dnet@auriga
>Subject: RE: discography compilation
>How detailed does the information need to be, Jeff? Are you interested in
>personnel, titles of tunes, track timings, producer, etc.? If you want to
>fully flesh out the discography, it might be a good idea to post a "form" for
>entries so that list members can plug in their data. You could periodically
>post a list of titles for which you're still lacking data and list members
>could send any info they have to you (or whomever puts the list together).
That's a another good question (about the level of detail), and the
"form for entries" is an excellent idea, Lynn. You suggested in private
e-mail looking into a package called "recdb"... I have seen mention of
this, but am not really sure what the particulars are for this software.
Has anyone here used recdb? If so, would you like the dubious honor of
inputting our Holdsworth discography data into it? ;) Heh heh... I'm
very eager to see those volunteers lining up to do the dirty work. :)
You see, I try to have a life occasionally. :) It's not always
practical, but I try. Lately I have had so many irons in the fire
because of our impending systems replacement it's been all I can manage
to get the digests put together and sent out in a semi-timely manner.
It's obvious that as far as the discography is concerned, I have
certainly dropped the ball. I'd really, really appreciate it if someone
could pick up where I've so negligently left off, because I have lots
more work to do *just* to get Atavachron migrated to its new home on
our soon-to-arrive Hewlett Packard HP9000-G50. Lots of improvements
are coming, folks. Lots.
Anyway, I was thinking that just getting a "finder's guide"-type of
discography might be useful (title, copyright date, label, catalog
number) or sufficient. But I suppose it'd be more to our as-yet-
unvolunteering volunteer's credit to go "whole hawg," as they say here
in the hills of eastern Kentucky, and include as much as can be found
on a particular release. So here's someone's chance to grab some
glory, and I'll sweeten the pot: I'm going to try to get some tour
t-shirts from Akira (or whomever) in coming weeks, and I will send
our volunteer a t-shirt upon completion of the discography
("completion" being defined as "all the goods on all the legit
releases we know about today, 4/21/93"). If I can't scam some shirts,
I'll give you the shirt off my back... well, actually, it's not on
my back (and didn't get much chance to be -- I left it at a relative's
home in November, where it's being stored and well-cared-for): An
official 1992 _Wardenclyffe Tower_ tour t-shirt; color, white; size,
XL. What more could you ask? Don't answer that. :)
In administrative matters: Have you ever tried to use your mailer's
REPLY function to respond to an Atavachron posting, and had your mail
rudely bounced back to you? Well, that should not be a problem any
longer. I fixed something that I didn't think could be fixed, so now
you may use REPLY at your leisure. Thanks to Geoff Thorpe for
stimulating the proper brain cells which led to this amazingly simple
solution! :)
Speaking of Geoff, he is our first subscriber from New Zealand.
We now have 148 subscribers in 11 countries. I just thought you
might like to know.
Jeff
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 20:32:31 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Todd Madson)
Subject: Re: Holdsworth Discs
Here's the proper listing for the Soma and Strange Advance discs:
Soma: Soma
Heading West/Wotre Music Distribution
Marketed by La Califusa, Inc. 2 rue des Capucins
92190 Meudon, France. Fax (1) 4621363
48 minutes, 20 seconds - CD
Holdsworth appears on 5 of the 13 tracks here, but don't let that
discourage you from getting the Soma disc - it's great. It's like
a high energy progressive mid-eighties Tubes session with a spastic
drummer and an Emerson-enamored keyboardist. Holdsworth is the
icing on the cake. I wish they'd made a second album. The session
guys are the icing on the cake. The prog-instrumentals are furious
and fast. I got my copy from Audiophile Imports (see the back of
Guitar Player magazine). David Shawn, the other guitar player here
isn't bad either. The layout, design, production and all is really
expensive - the 48 track recording with Synclavier/Fairlight doesn't
hurt either.
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 20:36:54 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Todd Madson)
Subject: Re: Atavachron Digest #48
Strange Advance - The Distance Between -
President Records 1988
London, England - President PCOM 1094
This recording has two extremely melodic Allan Holdsworth guitar solos
on it - the first one "Who Lives Next Door" is all but mixed out, but
you can hear him wailing in the distance. The second, "Alien Time" is
much better - probably Holdsworth's most melodic solo outside of
"Endomorph." At the fade, you can hear him blasting high-speed notes
into the stratosphere. The disc would be similar to "Tears for Fears
Meets Holdsworth", although the singer has an odd, Robert Smith (Cure)
quality to it. Very odd.
For a Holdsworth die-hard I'd recommend it, but unless you like semi-
expensive sounding pop with fine guitar snaking in and out of the vocals
it may just irritate you. I'd stick with the Soma and avoid the
Strange Advance - I keep my copy just to prove that Holdsworth's stuff
could fit into any pop hit anywhere and WORK.
-Todd.
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 93 20:40:20 CDT
From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Todd Madson)
Subject: Re: Atavachron Digest #48
With regards towards obtaining a Holdsworth-esque lead tone - my Boogie
Studio Preamp does a great job obtaining a regal, creamy distorted guitar
tone with none of the gnarl and ugliness some pedals produce. Of course
the fact that it's a tube unit may have something to do with it. I use
heavily modified Heartfield EX-2 and Charvel Model 4 guitars with EMG
electronics/pickups as well as Floyd Rose vibrato bars. Excellent.
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