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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 10:30:09 EDT From: atavachron@morekypr Subject: Atavachron Digest #21 To: Jeff PrestonAtavachron Digest - The Allan Holdsworth Discussion List Volume 2, Number 21 Wednesday September 2nd, 1992 TODAY'S TOPICS: ============== Re: Atavachron Digest #20 Re: Charts, etc. Road Games mini lp Looking Glass transcription Survey ending date / new file available ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 92 8:27:16 PDT From: Kyle Wohlmut Subject: Re: Atavachron Digest #20 Re: Uncommon Chord I too own the book, and I wrote to the publisher right after I got it, and was told the same thing. Aaaaw... not that I would have understood them anyway... :-) But I was able to 'reconstruct' them well enough from the heads to perform the tunes I wanted to live. Yes, I did play a couple of songs from the book at gigs-- my favourite was doing 'Tokyo Dream' with guitar, Stick, and drums! But I digress... anyway I would be totally for seeing more Holdsworth charts becoming available... maybe even a limited distribution to members of this mailing list? (Or would that be too much to ask for? :-) I also echo the lament of no West Coast dates for the Holdsworth show. But he did come through here earlier this year (and despite his three shows in my range, I missed them all! How did he manage to schedule all his gigs on nights that I had gigs myself?), so maybe he's just letting everybody else get their licks in (except the Canadians, I guess). He hasn't been touring all that time, has he? /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/ / /''' Kyle Wohlmut - 'Heute back ich, morgen brau ich, und c-OO / uebermorgen hol ich mir der Koenigin ihr \ Rocking Pig - Kind. Ach, wie gut dass niemand weiss, - Enterprises / dass ich kyle@csli.stanford.EDU heiss.' - -/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/- P.S. Interesting survey, I'll get back to that a bit later. Just what is going to be done with all this information? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Aug 92 03:07:51 CDT From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Todd Madson) Subject: Re: Charts, etc. What would be great is if someone could expand on "Reaching for the Uncommon Chord" and include all of his newer material. The demand for such an item would certainly be specialized, but would be great for all of us hardcore Holdsworth fanatics. The chord charts that were missing certainly would have been nice to include, yet I'm not sure if I've known anyone who actually had them. Thanks for the survey. I'll edit and respond accordingly. UUCP: {amdahl!bungia, crash}!orbit!pnet51!tmadson ARPA: crash!orbit!pnet51!tmadson@nosc.mil INET: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 92 11:00:28 PDT From: malcolm@wrs.com (Malcolm Humes) Subject: Road Games mini lp I was browsing used lps yesterday and came across a copy of Allan's Road Games. I already have it, but I grabbed it becasue I figured someone out there could use a copy of this since it looks unlikely it'll make it to cd, or at least in the near future. I'm not sure if I'll sell this copy or my promo copy - but both are in good to excellent condition. I suspect my cost for the record and shipping it would come to about $8 total. So if anyone out there wants this to fill a gap in your collection please let me know. If there's a huge demand I suppose it'll go to the highest offer I get, though I don't really care if I make any money off this or sell it at my cost. I just want it to go to someone who will appreciate it. - malcolm@wrs.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Sep 92 13:54:54 PDT From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman) Subject: Looking Glass transcription ======================================================================= ========================== LOOKING GLASS ============================== ========================= Allan Holdsworth ============================ ======================================================================= The structure of the tune is: Head1 Ending1Head1 Head1 Ending2Head1 Head2 Ending1Head2 ThatBeautifulTheme1 Linkage Head2 Ending1Head2 SoloSection (last time exit at the Ab#11...) ThatBeautifulTheme2 (...and take this to finish solo) Linkage Ending1Head2 Head1 Ending1Head1 Head1 Ending2Head1 In terms of notation I've written the chordal phrases in TAB; the top line being the high E string in a standard tuning scheme. The solo section is given in terms of harmonies. I'd like to share ideas with others about voicings in the solo section. Enjoy! Elliot E. Freedman (freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca) ======================================================================= ========================== LOOKING GLASS ============================== ========================= Allan Holdsworth ============================ ======================================================================= ============================ Head1 ============================ 12 10 14 12 11 9 9 10 9 9 9 8 7 x 9 7 6 7 8 7 6 x x x 14 x x x x x x x 11 12 10 x 11 9 8 9 9 9 8 x x x 14 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x 11 14 12 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 7 12 x x x x x x x x x x x 16 x 13 13 14 15 14 13 12 11 9 14 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x 14 16 14 13 14 15 14 13 12 11 9 x ============================ Ending1Head1 ============================ 17 15 14 12 10 x x x x x x 17 14 x 14 14 12 13 16 12 11 9 x x x x x x x x x x ============================ Ending2Head1 (Ending1Head1 transposed up a major 2nd, typical AH!) ============================ 19 17 16 14 12 x x x x x x 19 16 x 16 16 14 15 18 14 13 11 x x x x x x x x x x ============================ ThatBeautifulTheme1 ============================ 9 7 4 7 x 15 14 12 (10) x 10 x 5 4 x 8 x x x x (9) x x 11 x 16 14 13 x x x 4 12 x x x 10 9 5 7 x x 14 14 x x x x 8 17 x x ============================ Linkage ============================ 7 10 x x 8 x 10 x 8 x 11 11 x x 12 8 10 x x x 8 ============================ Head2 (Head1 tranposed down a perfect 4th, typical AH!) ============================ 7 5 9 7 6 4 4 5 4 4 5 3 2 x 2 2 1 2 3 2 1 x x x 9 x x x x x x x 6 7 5 x 6 3 3 4 4 4 3 x x x 9 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x 6 9 7 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 2 7 x x x x x x x x x x x 11 x 8 8 9 10 9 8 7 6 4 9 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x 9 11 9 8 9 10 9 8 7 6 4 x ============================ Ending2Head2 (actuall Ending2Head1 transposed down a perfect 4th, ...!) ============================ 14 12 11 9 7 x x x x x x 14 11 x 11 11 9 10 13 9 8 6 x x x x x x x x x x ============================ Ending1Head2 (actuall Ending1Head1 transposed down a perfect 4th, ...!) ============================ 12 10 9 7 5 x x x x x x 12 9 x 9 9 7 8 11 7 6 4 x x x x x x x x x x ============================ SoloSection (a bare bones description, add your own embellishments) ============================ G/A-----G/A A/G-----A/G (2, 2 bars) Bm9 Abm9 E/F#----E/F# (1, 1, 2 bars) Ebmin13 D6dim7 G/A-----G/A (1, 1, 2 bars) G/A-----G/A A/G-----A/G (2, 2 bars) Abmin9 Ebmin9 Dbmin11 Cmaj#11 (1, 1, 1, 1 bar) (last time in solo go to Linkage2 following Cmaj#11) Ab#11 Gmin11 Eb#11 Dmin11 (1, 1, 1, 1 bar) (that beautiful theme lies in these chords) C#maj6 A#min11 F-------F (1, 1, 2 bars) C#/F# D#/G# C#maj6 (1, 1, 1 bar) (back to beginning of SoloSection) ============================ ThatBeautifulTheme2 ============================ 10 9 4 7 x 15 14 12 (11) x 12 x 5 4 x 8 x x x x (11) x x 11 x 16 14 13 x x x 4 12 x x x 11 11 5 7 x x 14 14 x x x x 8 17 x x ======================================================================= ======================================================================= ======================================================================= ======================================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 02 Sep 92 02:36:04 EDT From: PRESTON@morekypr.bitnet Subject: Survey ending date / new file available The response has been rather good so far on the survey: about 23 percent of the subscribers have responded so far. Not bad for a week's work, folks. :) I think I'll go ahead and make next Wednesday the cutoff date for survey responses, so if you're playing along at home, have those surveys sent in by 11:59 p.m. EDT on Wednesday September 9th, please. Thanks to all who have sent in so far... I think we're all in for some surprising results! On another topic, totally unrelated to the survey (mostly): I've had some subscribers express interest in making the subscriber list public. I hesitated on the grounds that some people just like to read the list and would prefer not to be contacted by other list members. As a compromise, I will make available a file of the addresses of people who have posted to Atavachron. Since archives are available, this is nothing that anyone else could not extract for themselves, so I do not think anyone should have a problem with this, but I'd be willing to hear opposing viewpoints. Lastly, I promise not to type another character about anything on this list until I have at least one of the two reviews I'm working on finished! ;) Jeff Preston ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** End of Atavachron Digest *** To have your posting distributed in the next issue of Atavachron, send your posting to: atavachron@morekypr.morehead-st.edu Administrative requests should be addressed to: preston@morekypr.morehead-st.edu All comments made here are the views of the individual contributors. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Received: by UKCC (Mailer R2.08) id 1371; Fri, 11 Sep 92 00:33:10 EDT Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 23:57:34 EDT From: atavachron@morekypr Subject: Atavachron Digest #22 To: Jeff Preston Atavachron Digest - The Allan Holdsworth Discussion List Volume 2, Number 22 Thursday September 10th, 1992 TODAY'S TOPICS: ============== Babys First Post... aaaah! Satriani on Holdsworth The results of the entirely optional Atavachron Reader's Survey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Sep 92 12:04:40 BST From: David_Valentine-Hagart@vme.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: Babys First Post... aaaah! Well, Ive been a silent member of this list for a while now and I think it's about time I came clean about my shameless addiction to a certain guitarist. I first saw Allan while I was still at school !! The school had it's own BIG theatre and put on a Jazz gig double bill with Allan paired with the George Chisolm (the trombone player) band, shit what an unholy alliance that was ! The band consisted of AH - guitar, G Husband - drums,Paul Williams - vocals, and an unknown Bassist (had a lovely musicman bass!) This was about the time the I.O.U album came out. Allan had a Fender Strat, two Hartly Thompson amps and an assortment of decidedly home made pedals and widgets twix guitar and amps. Needless to say my jaw spent most of the gig on the floor. I met Allan after the gig and tried, unsucsessfully, to grill him about his gear/musical raison d'etre. George Chisolm didn't endear himself by practically apologising to the audience for Allans music and generally acting like a smug twat/Hey boys and girls Im a Trad Jazz Ledgend ..bleeachh ! The second and *ONLY OTHER TIME* I have seen Allan live was two years ago on his tiny UK (Search for the Holy Ale) Tour. The gig was at a music pub, in my home town of Nottingham, called The Old Angel. Allan had the "Secrets band" with Gary Husband on drums. The place was totally packed and I mean breathing by rota packed as many UK fans from elsewhere were there too (having practically followed the tour round England !) Needless to say a very good time was had by all, and Allan even said HE was pleased with his playing /sound that night !! Seeing him play the synthaxe was quite something too. The gig was also the last gig at that pub before it was closed permamently (the next day) so there's a bit of nostalgia too. Needless to say I went a bit over the top on the tour merchandise :->> Allan also played quite a lot of tunes from IOU that night and when I asked "why no recent stuff" he said he thought the IOU tunes would be more familiar to the UK audience, just shows how little info he has about the UK side of things. As a typical ?? UK A.H fan I do feel pretty well starved of material/info/ gigs (especially those) from his Allan-ness so this list is a *great* resource for me and the other UK fans on the list ( come on you lot, POST so we can exchange info !!). There you go Jeff.. anonymity blown to sh**. and thank you. ..David Valentine-Hagart.. ................................................................................ ... _____ __ . CCZDVH . My Guitar wonders why / \_/ / __ . @uk.ac.nott.vme . Its not easy to fly | []| | LLLLLLLLLLLLLL|__| . ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ . Exept if your name \_\___/\_\ . I can't play this! . Ends in Holdsworth or Vai ! ......\......................................................................... ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 12:29:59 -0400 From: rardin%bad.dnet@auriga Subject: Satriani on Holdsworth The most recent issue of Musician had a section entitled "Guitarists Pick the Lead They Love Favorite Solo". Hendrix took the cake for most mentions (surprise, surprise), but Holdsworth was mentioned by one of those asked to name their favorite solo: Joe Satriani said, "Ohh, that's almost impossible. Maybe the backwards solo from 'Are you Experienced?' There's a bunch I hold up as the coolest: 'Voodoo Chile (Slight Return),' and if you had to pry me off of Hendrix, 'Since I've Been Loving You' by Jimmy Page, 'Red Alert' by Allan Holdsworth, and 'Where Were You' by Jeff Beck. That's more mindblowing as time goes by. But 'Red Alert'--man! God, it just builds and builds, it always sets my heart beating way to fast. [laughs] What a great solo." (Musician, September 1992, p. 82) -Lynn < R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu) > < Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center > < Brandeis University, Waltham, MA 02254-9110 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 92 23:48:12 EDT From: PRESTON@morekypr.bitnet Subject: The results of the entirely optional Atavachron Reader's Survey I've spent a non-trivial amount of my time these last few days tabulating totals and sharpening pencils and generally making a mess out of my desk with the survey results. Yes, the time has come to play the numbers game here on Atavachron, and hopefully to gain some insight into the opinions of Joe Subscriber. Twenty-five of you decided to take part in the survey (27.78% of the total subscribership). Not surprisingly, most of the respondents had posted to the list in the past, but there were a few who "came out of the woodwork" to add their opinions to the sum. So... just what do we listen to in addition to Holdsworth? The average respondent's collection looks something like this: 29% Jazz 18% Progressive Rock/Art Rock 14% Heavy Metal 13% Classic Rock ('50s -'70s) 11% Classical/Orchestral 4% Alternative/College Radio 3% Blues 3% Folk 3% Popular/Top 40 2% "other stuff too fractional to get into here" :) As for the latest live performance attended, two people mentioned Eric Clapton as the last show they saw. Also mentioned were Yes, Ted Nugent, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Sonny Rollins, Mary Black & Family, Jimmy Carl Black & The Grandmothers, Tribal Tech, Pantera, Henry Kaiser & Friends, Bela Fleck & The Flecktones, Steve Morse Band, Amy Grant, Pat Metheny, Fairport Convention, A.J. Croce, Bob Dylan, Robben Ford, and even Allan Holdsworth (wow!). :) Also mentioned were several local bands and orchestras. The latest albums bought? Well, a lot of people misunderstood the copyright date question, so that threw a bit of a skew into the readings, but no matter. The latest release from the Dixie Dregs, _Bring 'Em Back Alive_ topped the list with 3 mentions, followed by Steve Hackett's _Time Lapse_ with 2 mentions. Among the others reported were albums by Tori Amos, Brand X, Buggles, Charles Ives, Lester Bowie, Brave Combo, Pantera, Steve Morse, Andrea Marcelli, Pat Metheny, Led Zeppelin, Ice T, Kevin Eubanks, Cozy Powell, Lynch Mob, Toots Theilmans, and several compilation works and soundtracks. Oh yes -- again, there were a few Allan Holdsworth albums listed in this catagory. I decided that listing the average price for CDs/cassettes/etc. would be a bit ridiculous, especially considering that two-thirds of us live in the U.S., and the other third lives elsewhere, which would involve all sorts of currency conversions and other mathematical gymnastics in order to come up with a meaningful number. So, forget I asked that, okay? ;) Besides, it'd probably be pretty rude to remind everyone that the U.S. has the best prices on CDs... oops! Hey, I'm doing my part by trying to hook up these folks with CDs. ;) Where do we hear about new releases and concerts? The top honors for information exchange, according to the respondents is almost a dead tie between the network newsgroups/lists, magazines and word-of-mouth. Lowest on just about everyone's list was MTV/VH-1/MuchMusic. Those within the U.S. generally rated the newsgroups highly, while those outside the U.S. tended to get better information from newspapers, magazines and radio (surprisingly few U.S. subscribers even listed radio as a source of information -- a sad commentary on the state of American radio, I'd say). A whopping 72% of us claimed to be musicians, and somewhat coincidentally (but not too surprisingly) 72% of that 72% (52% of the total respondents) report being guitarists. The average respondent has been playing his/her instrument for 12.7 years. Nearly all the responding musicians, guitarists and non-guitarists alike, claimed Holdsworth to be an influence to some degree. Now, on the the meat of the survey: those questions which directly concern Mr. Holdsworth's music, how we came to know it, and how we perceive it today. The average respondent to the survey owns 13.32 albums/etc. which feature Allan Holdsworth, which is pretty good when you consider how difficult many of these releases are to find; that amounts to about one-third of the 41 *known* releases so far. The "most wanted" (albums you don't own but wish you *could*) list goes like this: 1st Place: _Road Games_, with 5 mentions; 2nd Place: _Soma_, with 3 mentions; 3rd Place: _Sand_, with 2 mentions. That last one surprised me a little, but both people listing that one are in the U.K., and as we all know, the British seem to be having a tough time getting even the solo material... definitely something to work on. The rest of the field, with one entry each, is: Atavachron Attack of the Neon Shark (A.Masi) Forty Reasons (C.Wackerman) Gazeuse! (Gong) Metal Fatigue Silent Will (A.Marcelli) The Distance Between (Strange Advance) Touching On (J.Stevens) U.K. (U.K.) Velvet Darkness After seeing this, I promise to make the mail-order addendum to the discography a top priority, since many of these are available from places like Noteworthy and Wayside. However, I still know of no sources for the Soma CD, nor the Igginbottom's Wrench (which incidentally was not listed by anyone as a "most wanted" release). In the catagory of the album where we first heard Holdsworth play, there figures looked like this: 1st Place: (tie) _U.K._ and _Road Games_, each with 6 entries; 2nd Place: (tie) _Metal Fatigue_ and _Enigmatic Ocean_, each with 4 entries; 3rd place: (tie) _I.O.U._ and _Atavachron_, each with 2 entries. A smattering of others were mentioned, as well. Most of us have seen Allan in live performance -- 76% of us answered "yes" to that question, with 44% reporting seeing him on more than one occasion. Gee, now I don't feel like such a die-hard. :) A surprising number of folks here also seem to have met Allan (mentioned in some survey responses, and elsewhere, either via private e-mail or mentioned on the list). There were quite a variety of artists mentioned by people when asked about collaborations. Only four names came up more than once, and those were Michael Brecker, John McLaughlin, Steve Morse and two posthumous wishes for a collaboration between Allan and Jaco Pastorious. Also listed were several musicians with whom Holdsworth has worked in the past, such as Bill Bruford, Vinnie Colaiuta, Chick Corea and Eddie Jobson. Others mentioned included Rod Morgenstein, Bill Frisell, John Zorn, Yo Yo Ma, Mark Wood, Michael Manring, Paul McCandless, Yngwie Malmsteen, Donald Fagen, Frank Zappa, Ornette Coleman, Robert Fripp, Peter Gabriel, Didier Lockwood, Jerry Goodman, Scott Henderson, Pharoah Sanders, Mary Coughlan, Jack DeJohnette, Howard Shore, Jonas Helborg, Carlos Santana, Steve Vai, Mino Cinelu and Pat Metheny. What a stage this would fill! Lastly, we come to the album ratings. The scores were derived by simply adding up the individual scores for each title, and dividing that number by the total number of responses for that title -- simple averaging. However, adjustments to some of the scores were made; any scores outside the specified range of 1 to 10 were modified to reflect either the top or bottom of the range (sorry folks, those 11s and -1s just didn't make it into the averaging). Since I have never had a statistics class in my life, I'm sure there's quite a margin of error in the final tally, but hey, who cares? ;) This gives us a good ballpark figure all the way around -- anyone wanting the raw data to obsess over is welcome to it (if you don't mind waiting a few weeks for me to extract it from one huge file). ;) The average title received 8.122 responses; because of this, the first list is of the titles which received a rating by at least 8 of the respondents. I felt that any title receiving less than 8 responses was probably not a good sample, and therefore would have little value as a datapoint. That left us with 20 titles (out of 41). However, I have also listed the complete list of scores, which includes all the titles regardless of the number of responses (along with the actual number of responses in parathensis) at the end of this posting. And the winners are... (*drum roll*) Title Average score ============================================================================= Metal Fatigue 8.75 One of a Kind (B.Bruford) 8.64 U.K. (U.K.) 8.44 Gazeuse! (Gong) 8.42 Atavachron 8.12 Forty Reasons (C.Wackerman) 8.09 I.O.U. 7.98 Road Games 7.94 Feels Good To Me (B.Bruford) 7.89 Master Strokes (B.Bruford) 7.88 Secrets 7.63 Enigmatic Ocean (J.Ponty) 7.46 Sand 7.43 With A Heart In My Song (G.Beck) 7.13 Individual Choice (J.Ponty) 7.11 Expresso II (Gong) 7.00 MVP: Truth In Shredding (F.Gambale) 6.50 Guaranteed (Level 42) 6.25 If This Bass Could Only Talk (S.Clarke) 5.67 Velvet Darkness 5.50 Here's the complete list: Title Average score (# responding) ============================================================================= Metal Fatigue 8.75 (21) One of a Kind (B.Bruford) 8.64 (14) U.K. (U.K.) 8.44 (16) Gazeuse! (Gong) 8.42 (12) Believe It (T.Williams) 8.40 (5) Atavachron 8.12 (21) Forty Reasons (C.Wackerman) 8.09 (11) Lone Ranger (J.Watson) 8.00 (1) I.O.U. 7.98 (20) Road Games (EP) 7.94 (19) Feels Good To Me (B.Bruford) 7.89 (14) Master Strokes (B.Bruford) 7.88 (8) Secrets 7.63 (19) No Borders (C.Verheyen) 7.50 (2) Silent Will (A.Marcelli) 7.50 (6) Enigmatic Ocean (J.Ponty) 7.46 (13) Sand 7.43 (15) With A Heart In My Song (G.Beck) 7.13 (8) Individual Choice (J.Ponty) 7.11 (9) Belladonna (I.Carr) 7.00 (1) Bundles (Soft Machine) 7.00 (3) Conversation Piece (J.Stevens) 7.00 (2) Expresso II (Gong) 7.00 (10) Guitar's Practicing Musicians (various) 7.00 (3) The Things You See/Sunbird (G.Beck) 7.00 (2) Million Dollar Legs (T.Williams) 6.67 (6) MVP: Truth In Shredding (F.Gambale) 6.50 (9) Retouch (J.Stevens) 6.50 (2) A Question of Time (J.Bruce) 6.33 (3) Guaranteed (Level 42) 6.25 (8) Radio Free Albemuth (S.Hamm) 6.19 (7) Tempest (Tempest) 6.17 (6) If This Bass Could Only Talk (S.Clarke) 5.67 (9) Touching On (J.Stevens) 5.67 (3) Velvet Darkness 5.50 (16) Time Is The Key (Gong) 5.40 (5) Attack of the Neon Shark (A.Masi) 5.00 (2) Fast Impressions (J.St.James) 5.00 (1) Igginbottom's Wrench (Igginbottom) no responses Soma (Soma) no responses The Distance Between (Strange Advance) no responses In closing, I'd also like to thank everyone for the kind comments about the list in general; those comments were overwhelmingly positive. The one suggestion that popped up several times was "let's have more tablature!" Well, that's a fantastic suggestion, certainly. But if it weren't for the efforts of people like Jim Trivellas and Elliot Freedman, we wouldn't have had *any* tablature posted at all. What I'm trying to say is "this stuff doesn't type itself in." :) So, if you've worked out a transcription, send it in! I would volunteer to do some myself, but believe me, I haven't reached the point where I can figure out what the man is doing, even when using half-speed tape and pitch-shifting, so my contributions would be pretty slipshod, at best. Jim and Elliot, on the other hand, seem to have the situation in hand... maybe we could bribe them to keep up the good work...? ;) At least one subscriber wondered what would be done with this data; well, I'll tell you what *won't* be done with it: It will not be given to either Akira Yada or Restless Records. I doubt very seriously if Allan would appreciate any pressure from these sources to "change to fit a demographic mold," so that is out of the question. However, if Allan himself were to express interest in seeing the compiled results (without the names of the participants, of course), I can't think of any objection from my perspective -- again, I'd like to get your input on this. Thanks again, folks... we'll do it again sometime (*groan*). :) Jeff Preston =============================================================================== *** End of Atavachron Digest *** To have your posting distributed in the next issue of Atavachron, send your posting to: atavachron@morekypr.morehead-st.edu Administrative requests should be addressed to: preston@morekypr.morehead-st.edu All comments made here are the views of the individual contributors. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Received: by UKCC (Mailer R2.08) id 8331; Mon, 21 Sep 92 10:47:05 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Sep 92 10:30:16 EDT From: atavachron@morekypr Subject: Atavachron Digest #23 To: Jeff Preston Atavachron Digest - The Allan Holdsworth Discussion List Volume 2, Number 23 Monday September 21st, 1992 TODAY'S TOPICS: ============== ADA & ADA Stereo Tapped Delays Meeting the Brewer Red Alert Holdsworth dates Re: Atavachron Digest #22 An Allan Holdsworth weekend ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 17:24:53 PDT From: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca (Elliot Freedman) Subject: ADA & ADA Stereo Tapped Delays ---------------------- ADA STD-1 -------------------- Firstly, I'll assume that everyone knows what the ADA STD-1 is. (If this is not the case, go back and listen to IOU. The answer to your question "Why is the guitar sound on 'Where Is One?' so utterly beautiful?" is (at least in terms of toys) that an ADA STD-1 was used for that subtle, yet so rich chorusing effect.) I've got one, I picked it up in Holland while living there over the last two & a half years. After catching the glint of the ADA monicker in the corner of my eye in a "less than reputable, less than friendly" music store, I spent 20 minutes in sonic ecstacy playing this. Needless to say, they realized that I was a sucker for this unit and posted an unreal price (fl. 1100, about $600 US). I came in a few days later, kept my composure (trying not too look too sonically obsessed) and talked them down to (fl. 800) -- not great, but I had to have the unit. --------------- Quest for another ----------------- Well, I'm greedy as hell for another one and in a burst of altruism thought that much of the playing portion of _Atavachron_ would quite likely be interested in the unit as well. (If you are not interested in an ADA STD-1 and do see one in a music store or pawn shop, I'm at 'freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca' -- Please contact me!!) --------------------- ADA response ---------------------- At any (raving) rate :), I called ADA (who have now shifted towards pre-amplification, power amps, & cabinets. A very receptive, seemingly sincere Sales Manager (?) Matthew Crist informed me that the request list for the long discontinued unit is quite large and includes such names as Holdsworth & "other sponsors". ------------------------ The heart of the matter... ------------------------ I wonder if we could mobilize those interested in the unit towards convincing ADA that they should do another run of the product. If you are interested please send me your name. ---------------------------------- Epilogue ---------------------------------- Are we not endlessly trying to convince the "market" to produce that which has not been suited to the "masses" (AH tours, Road Games, ADA STD-1s). ------------------------------ Deep Thought ----------------------------- I would not want to venture too deep into sentimentality, we've really yet to meet... but, this commonality between the _Atavachron_ subscribers, at least in our tastes, is very cool. -------------------- Regards, Elliot E. Freedman freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca Vancouver, Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:13:04 PDT From: pvallado@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (Paolo Valladolid ) Subject: Meeting the Brewer I guess I'll make my little contribution to the collection of stories about meeting Allan. At the concert where I saw him live ( for the first time, I might add :-) ), I ran into what I call a "professional backstage hunter". He told me how he would meet the star of a show by either showing up super early when the artist would be running a soundcheck, or heading to the back of the venue after the concert. So, after the concert, I followed this man. Sure enough, we found the back door and we were let in! Chad Wackerman, Skuly Sverisson, and Steve Hunter were taking it easy after a hard night's work and Allan was explaining to someone the logic behind his double necked custom guitar ( it was headless on both necks like a Steinberger, but with a wooden body. Both necks had 6 strings but the upper one was tuned in fifths ). Upon later reflection, I could not believe I had the balls to ask Allan if I could try *his* legendary white Steinberger! He nonchalantly handed it over and I sheepishly sat down and strummed the intro to Pat Metheny's "Jaco". I looked up and *everyone* was looking at me, as if they expected me to try to impress Allan with my own licks. Needless to say, I felt even more self-concious because I just wanted to check out the guitar and see if *the pros* really do set their action high and if Allan was using a short scale fretboard to facilitate those notorious stretches. The answer to both questions in my mind was NO; the actions was, I guess, average and the fretboard seemed to be the standard 25 1/2 scale. Then, I handed my Jim Hall book (_Exploring Jazz Guitar_) over to Allan to sign and he made a comment about Jim's book being better than his own. I asked him if he ever got around to playing sax and his response was no, but he did play clarinet at one time. He then reached into a case. I expected him to pull out a clarinet and told him so. As he pulled out his new main squeeze, a wooden Steinberger-like guitar, he said, no, not tonight. Then he looked me in the eye and said, "You know, I never wanted to be a musician". It looked like he was ready to call it a night, so I excused myself and thanked him profusely for his time. He said its quite alright and wished me good luck. Well that's it. If anybody else met Allan and would like to share their story, by all means do it. I think its a great idea! Cheers, Paolo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Sep 92 18:30:48 PDT From: edju@aludra.usc.edu (Dr. Hannibal Lecter) Subject: Red Alert Lynn mentioned that Joe Satriani worshiped the "Red Alert" solo. Can somebody tell me from which record that was from? Eddie PS Thanks "Crapola"! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Sep 92 20:31:18 EDT From: John Chitalia Subject: Holdsworth dates I'm not sure if you already know this, but this is what I know so far. Fri 10/16/92 Ft. Lauderdale, FL Musician's Exchange Sat 10/17/92 " " (2 shows each night for the above) Sun 10/18/92 St. Petersburg, FL Club Detroit I don't know the # of shows for St. Pete because Ticketmaster hasn't even confirmed the show although Club Detroit is advertising the show in various local magazines. The info for the first two dates are from TM. I'm still awaiting word on the Orlando date. Also, since there's a St. Pete date, I doubt there'll be a Tampa date. JC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Moderator's note: Lennart sent this to me yesterday and asked me to post it to the list if I thought it was of general interest. He asked that I check over it for any obvious errors in translation and asked that I make any necessary corrections. Overall, the text remains essentially unaltered (Lennart's translation seemed pretty good), but I have a few comments: 1) the interview seems to be about a year old, so the comments about Capitol Records and Wackerman's "upcoming solo record" may be due to that; 2) the upcoming European tour mentioned here has probably already occured (April 1992); 3) the album he's talking about is probably the upcoming _Wardenclyffe Tower_, which is still slated for release next month on Restless - JP] Date: Tue, 15 Sep 92 20:04:46 MET DST From: Lennart Hedenstr|m Subject: Swedish interview with Allan I picked up the September issue of a Swedish magazine called "Musiker Magasinet", which means something like "Musicians Magazine". In there, is an interview with Allan Holdsworth done by a fellow called Bosse Johansson. Apparently Allan played at a jazz club in Stockholm called "Fashing" sometime ago, and he is headed back to Europe and Sweden to play within six months. All according to the article. It is a two page interview so I will not have time to translate the whole article, but just point out some possibly interesting things Allan said. The article starts off presenting the fact that Allan is a highly respected musician, but that he isn't rich moneywise like other musicians in the same position. The author says something like that it might have something to do with the fact that he doesn't look like the average "guitar hero" and that Allan never compromises. The story goes on and Allan says he even had to sell his house in England to afford buying the Synthaxe. The last section of the article is interesting so I tried to translate it : "...There's quite a large amount of interest in USA. We play at small clubs but there's always a lot of people, but in Europe it's much tougher for us. We hardly get gigs over here. The booking companies don't seem to know who we are.. The most terrifying thing is that I have a manager, but he doesn't seem to succeed either...It's like some kind of "catch-22" situation. - Now I am risking my family if I continue like this. I have been thinking for quite some time to get a "regular" job. As a matter of fact I have had different kinds of jobs since I started out as a musician in '72. I have played in top-40 bands, worked in a shop selling bags and also in a bicycle store etc. - The most comic thing is that my records gets deleted, mostly the more recent and successful ones. The latest one "Secrets", which is my best one so far, was deleted when my record company Enigma was bought by Capitol. I have another album recorded on Enigma, but it is not mixed. The question is if it is ever going to be released... - I have completed another album that I hope will be released soon. Then Chad Wackerman is releasing a solo record. So I hope that there will be some things out there as a counter-weight to all the crap that the Japanese companies are releasing; bootlegs with 20 years old music. That feels very frustrating. - No, I am going to give it another try, or else I will call it quits. During this last year I actually have been thinking about quitting music." That's how the obviously very bitter Allan Holdsworth ends the interview. Lennart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Sep 92 05:24:06 CDT From: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Todd Madson) Subject: Re: Atavachron Digest #22 Ack! I knew I'd miss the survey response. Gack! Sorry, better luck next time. I understand that Audiophile Imports out of the U.S. is going to finally get SOMA on CD. I can't wait - I've got nearly everything else. I'll report any possible luck I have. UUCP: {amdahl!bungia, crash}!orbit!pnet51!tmadson ARPA: crash!orbit!pnet51!tmadson@nosc.mil INET: tmadson@pnet51.orb.mn.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Sep 92 10:23:52 EDT From: PRESTON@morekypr.bitnet Subject: An Allan Holdsworth weekend A truly memorable weekend... Seeing as how Allan's Cincinnati show had been cancelled, and most of my friends either had to work or had prior commitments for the weekend, I ended up renting a car to drive to Columbus for Allan's show Friday night (yes, I know -- I am a fanatic, thank you). ;) I arrived at Stache's about an hour before the door opened, and was fortunate enough to catch part of the sound check in progress through the window. It sounded like we were in for a treat. Already my expectations were high, since I'd stopped in at a new music store in Morehead before heading out of town, and I happened to see a CD on the counter, titled _Guitar On The Edge, Vol. 1 No. 2_ . It had 15 or so names on the front, including Allan's, so I picked it up. His track was titled "Zarabeth," and was listed as being on the Restless release, _Wardenclyffe Tower_ . Wow, said I to myself. I rushed to a nearby friend's house and recorded it for the trip up to Columbus... wonderful ballad, btw. Well, no need to panic... you haven't missed the release of _Wardenclyffe Tower_ ; that's slated for October 10th, as I later learned in Columbus. So, I was standing outside Stache's waiting for the door to open, and for the next 45 minutes I saw the entire band come and go several times. I only briefly said "hello" to each of them since they seemed to be in quite a big hurry to get things ready for the show. Once inside, I took a seat on the front row in front of Steve Hunt's keyboard setup. There was some additional gear set up in front of Gary Husband's drums, so there was going to be a opening act. They turned out to be quite a good fusion trio from Columbus (I didn't catch the name, though). Has anyone ever heard a jazz-funk version of "Harper Valley PTA"? Well, now I can say *I* have! :) Allan and "the chaps" (Steve Hunt, keys; Skuli Spherrisson, bass; Gary Husband, drums) took the stage at about 9:45 and played until around 10:35, then took a short break until about 11:15. The second set lasted until about 12:20, with one encore. The set list follows: Looking Glass Pud Wud Sphere Of Innocence * Non-Brewed Condiment (title not announced) * The Things You See (When You Haven't Got Your Gun) break Proto-Cosmos Funnels Water On The Brain, Pt. II Devil Take The Hindmost Zarabeth * Letters Of Marque White Line encore: Shallow Sea * = new tunes from _Wardenclyffe Tower_ To be honest, while the show was good, it was plagued by various slips and stutters... Allan and Gary both had their share of troubles that night (though Gary had innumerably more difficulties than anyone else, certainly). For one, Stache's is a very small club and not well ventilated, which made it unbearably hot once the 200 or so people crowded into it, and I'm sure that made it rather difficult to concentrate. There were also a number of rude folks in the crowd, who were yelling out song titles in the middle of quiet passages. The major gaffe came in Gary's drum solo in "Letters Of Marque," where he continually was hitting his own sticks, and at one point hit a microphone above one of his toms, at which point he stopped drumming, and reached over and flipped the mic with his finger, as if to emphasize his mistake. At that point he broke into a heavy rock beat and built back up into a good recovery. Amazingly, while this was going on, Allan was nearly laughing himself off the stage, so at least the spirit remained high. For the encore, Allan brought out the baritone guitar and did a rousing rendition of "Shallow Sea." After the show, there were a number of people hanging around the bar, so I decided to wait around to see if the band were coming back out to talk with the crowd. One guy I spoke to after the show said he'd seen Allan 5 times at Stache's, and each time he'd always came out and signed autographs and chatted with the fans, so I was encouraged by that news. Sure enough, after about 15 minutes, Steve Hunt and Skuli came out. Steve was headed my direction, so I offered my congratulations on the show (which, I might add, he was hesitant to accept... he thought they'd had a bad night, too), and mentioned my disappointment about the Cincinnati show's cancellation. He said they were also let down by that, since Bogart's is a nice club... he said they'd heard Bogart's was in financial trouble, but he wasn't sure. I then asked if the Knoxville show were still on, and he said "Knoxville? We've never played Tennesee... where did you hear we'd be playing Knoxville?" I then told him about the list and how I'd gotten the itinerary from Akira Yada, and then he remembered Allan mentioning Atavachron to him at some point. He broke out the new itinerary, and started showing me the dates. It looked basically the same as what I had received, but most of the "TBA" dates had been filled in. He said he'd see if he could find the venue names for those which were still unannounced, and then went off in the direction of the front door. By this time, Allan had come out and was standing behind the bar, talking to several loud (and somewhat inebriated!) people. A group of 8 or 9 were surrounding the end of the bar, and Allan was alternately signing ticket stubs and trying to carry on several conversations at once. Once a lull came around, I stuck out my hand and introduced myself, and I was really surprised by the fact that he remembered my name and seemed eager to speak with me. I referred to the letter which Claire had sent, asking if we might provide some "feedback" from the list, and handed him the envelope which contained some of the high points of the survey results (all anonymously, of course) and comments, along with 5-6 pages of comments taken from the Atavachron archives. I told him I had tried to put together a balanced representation of opinions, and that I hoped any criticisms would be taken in the spirit in which they were offered. Other people were shouting out for his attention, so I stood quietly there for a few minutes, and once again stepped up and shook hands with him and wished them well on the tour. As I turned to go, he touched my shoulder and I turned around and he offered his hand thanking me again, saying, "Really -- thanks for all your help. You call me anytime I can be of help." As I was leaving, I heard one of the other fans ask what Atavachron was all about, and heard Allan start into a credible explanation of the list. Sorry to bore you with the details, but for me, this was a proud moment indeed. The next day, I was calling some friends to tell them about the show. One of my friends (Gary Wells) who had had to work Friday night said he wished he had more money, because if so he'd love to drive to Dayton to catch Saturday night's show. I only thought for about a half-second and told him I'd pay for his ticket and gas if he'd do the driving. It took him about that long to jump in the car and head towards Morehead. :) The show in Dayton was in a club named Gilly's (with a soft "g"), which was a very nice club, indeed... quite a switch from Stache's (oooh, ahhh -- air conditioning!). There was no opening act, so the show started at 9:30. The set list was the same, including the break, but *what a difference*! When the band took the stage, Allan looked down and saw us sitting there and raised his eyebrows in surprised expression, as if to say "What are you doing here again?!?" Well hey, I hadn't expected to be there, either, but I sure am glad I got ahold of Gary on Saturday afternoon, because the playing this night was 1000 times more together than it had been the night before in Columbus... I think the atmosphere and the less-rowdy crowd were contributing factors, but whatever the reasons, this show was nothing short of ENTIRELY AMAZING! There were times when I was sure the entire band would just float off of the stage, as if they could defy gravity (sorry, Mr. Beer). :) This seemed to be a completely different band... my friend Gary was stupefied. He has been a Holdsworth listener for almost as long as I have, yet he was never that big a fan. That's all we listened to on the way home from Dayton, and now he's asked for the archives of the list and a discography. :) Yet another fanatic is spawned! The only difference between the sets, tune-wise, was the encore. In Columbus, they had done a fairly straightfoward version of "Shallow Sea"; in Dayton, Allan didn't use the baritone guitar on this number, and the beginning of it was an all-out improv session which went on for about 10 minutes. It only sounded like "Shallow Sea" in the last minute or so of the tune, but everyone was so blown away by the improvisation that no one seemed to mind. I sure didn't! We weren't sure if the club was going to allow people to stay at first, since they started announcing upcoming shows over the P.A. and storing tables and chairs almost the moment Allan and the band left the stage, but I figured we would take our chances on being asked to leave (nothing ventured...). I'd brought my copy of _Reaching For The Uncommon Chord_ in hopes that I might be able to get Allan and the band to autograph it for me, so I didn't want to give up too easily. Like Stache's, there were a number of well-wishers hanging out. Steve Hunt came out fairly quickly, and said Allan would be out after he finished a beer. We and a few others chatted with Steve, and I asked him to sign my book, and complimented him on the excellent performance. Then Gary and Skuli came out, but they both disappeared pretty quickly. Allan came out a few minutes later, and then the fans converged. My friend Gary and I tried to stay to the side of the crowd, and believe it or not, all but a couple of people had cleared out in about 4-5 minutes... essentially as soon as everyone got his autograph and had exchaged pleasantries. One fellow asked Allan if he were still into cycling, and Allan said "yeah," but then after the guy told him he competed in cycling events, Allan told him that while he used to race, he hadn't the time anymore to prepare for races, and that he had trouble staying in top form because of touring. After this, Allan turned and greeted me, and I handed him the book, which he signed and handed back. I told him I thought they were off to a good tour if tonight's show were any indication of what was to come, since they were really "on" compared to the show the night before at Stache's. He said it certainly hadn't seemed that way from his end, and that he'd felt odd about playing since the tour began. Of course I said maybe the fact that this was only the fourth show just meant that he was just getting into the swing of things again, and he said he hoped it got better as the tour progressed. I said I'd sure like to be at subsequent shows if that were the case, since this performance was quite literally "over the top" in all senses. I told him I was a bit disappointed that the Cincinnati show had been cancelled, and even moreso that the Knoxville show had swapped off. He reiterated Steve's comments about Bogart's in Cincinnati being in financial trouble, but they didn't know whether this were true or not. As Steve Hunt had indicated the night before, no one had heard any plans of a Knoxville show. I told him that I'd only heard in the last week about the Bogart's show, and that I'd called Akira Yada and left a message asking for any updates which he might have. Allan seemed a bit annoyed when I said that he hadn't returned my call, and said, "I'm really surprised that Akira hasn't gotten back to you about that," and said it would be no problem if I wanted to call his wife to get the information once I'd gotten back home. I said I'd happily write down the changes right there if we could find a copy of the itinerary so we tracked down Steve Hunt to borrow his copy. Allan said he could call me with the club names for the dates which were still "TBA," and Steve said all of those dates (which were all in the South) were now confirmed. I started jotting down the few changes made. By this time, Skuli had joined this gathering of Allan, Steve, my friend Gary and myself. Allan said something about how the band had been looking at the excerpts from the list I'd given him the night before in Columbus, and how amazing the whole concept of networking was to them all. He then introduced us to Skuli, and went off to speak to the two women who were at the table in front of us. Skuli seemed especially interested in the whole electronic mail thing, and asked me dozens of questions about the networks in general. I told him we had several Swedes on the list, to which he replied "I'm from Iceland," much to my embarrassment. :) He also signed the book, and flipped through it, at one point getting Allan's attention and pointing to one of the pictures in the book (the picture of the "house" sign at the bottom of page 109, for those of you with the book) and saying "Hey, we played here last spring, didn't we?" to which Allan replied, "Yep, that's such a great place." I told Allan that we'd heard that _Reaching For The Uncommon Chord_ had been picked up by another publisher, and he seemed surprised. He asked that I get back with him with the address. I hope this isn't another ripoff deal, but he seemed pleasantly surprised, so hopefully it isn't. Bringing up the subject of books reminded Allan of the birthday gift we sent, and he asked me to pass along his thanks to the list for the thought. He said he really enjoyed the books and the card. About this time, Allan and Steve started discussing their evening plans (they were planning to gather at a local tavern), and I told Allan and Steve that we'd better be heading home. They invited us to tag along to the bar, but I didn't want to impose myself on these guys, so I told them of the 3.5 hour drive ahead of us and that we'd really better get started, but thanks (!) for the invitation anyway. If only I hadn't been so tired from the night before... oh well. Allan stepped forward and shook our hands again and thanked us for coming up, and said he'd be in touch soon about the the Atavachron interview and to keep us abreast of anything else. I we were leaving, I couldn't help but think what great guys they all were for hanging out and talking to us (even though we never did see Gary Husband after he exited the dressing room). Color me overjoyed. :) Jeff Preston ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** End of Atavachron Digest *** To have your posting distributed in the next issue of Atavachron, send your posting to: atavachron@morekypr.morehead-st.edu Administrative requests should be addressed to: preston@morekypr.morehead-st.edu All comments made here are the views of the individual contributors. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Received: by UKCC (Mailer R2.08) id 6897; Mon, 28 Sep 92 02:02:01 EDT Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 02:00:02 EDT From: atavachron@morekypr Subject: Atavachron Digest #24 To: Jeff Preston Atavachron Digest - The Allan Holdsworth Discussion List Volume 2, Number 24 Monday September 28th, 1992 TODAY'S TOPICS: ============== Jeff's hard work Re: *** Atavachron Update -- new tour dates, changes *** Joe Satriani's New Guitar? Re: CONCERT: Allan Holdsworth *updated* itinerary [U.S.] Lyrics on _IOU_ and _Metal Fatigue_ Welcome to Atavachron! / discography 9/24 show in Cambridge, MA Elliot Freedman's incredible tape AH at the Iron Horse 9/23/92 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 10:38:43 BST From: a740778@server1.tiuk.ti.com (Jason Julyan (0004 )) Subject: Jeff's hard work I just gotta say a big "Thanks!" to Jeff Preston for all the effort he's putting in to make Atavachron really mean something more than just a discussion group. No doubt if I was in Allan's position whereby the majority of fans I met were fairly drunk and just wanted an autograph and handshake I'd be pretty disillusioned with life/music aswell. Its always good to meet someone who really appreciates what you're doing - helps you realise there's a silent majority out there who you'll never see but whose life you have touched in some way, hopefully for the better. We've all gotta pull together on this one and make sure any thoughts of Allan's of getting a day job are dispelled. Mind you, if my CD purchases since I got the discography are anything to go by, he should soon be knocking ol' Billy-boy Gates off the richest man spot :-/ Forget buying your niece/nephew that crappy top 40 album they so wanted for christmas and give 'em some cultured A.H. - after all, if they dont want it then you can keep it :-) Ah! I feel better after that :-) TTFN, Jason Jason B.E. Julyan | Texas Instruments Ltd a740778@server1.tiuk.ti.com | Bedford, U.K. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 21:36:23 +1000 From: chuck@cs.unsw.oz.au (Mark Andrew Hawling) Subject: Re: *** Atavachron Update -- new tour dates, changes *** Where's Australia on there!!! Bummer!!! Can you suggest that he comes all the way down here again, because there are a whole heap of fans down here. I know last time he came down here he had to sell his equipment before he could fly home, and that he only played in shitty venues like the Bridge Hotel, BUT still there is a loyal following. chuck ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Sep 92 17:39:55 PDT From: pvallado@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (Paolo Valladolid ) Subject: Joe Satriani's New Guitar? In the October 1992 issue of _Musician_, Joe Satriani appears on a photo with a guitar that looks exactly like the guitar I saw Allan play earlier this year! I wonder why he chose to be photographed with Allan's guitar instead of his own Ibanez... Cheers, Paolo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 10:07:58 -0700 From: heiser@adobe.com (Rob Heiser) Subject: Re: CONCERT: Allan Holdsworth *updated* itinerary [U.S.] In article <1992Sep23.080046.21479@dutrun2.tudelft.nl>, you wrote: > > Here are the changes and additional performance dates for Allan > Holdsworth. His wife, Claire, was kind enough to go over the updated > itinerary with me on the phone this evening, and all of the following > shows are confirmed. The "TBA" dates -- call your local ticket agent > for venue information. Jeff, Have you heard of Allan coming through Cali anytime in the near future? I'd love to see him again, especially if he'll be playing at the Kuumbwa Jazz Center in Santa Cruz...Keep the updates coming! Rob Heiser Adobe Systems Incorporated heiser@adobe.com Software Quality Assurance Engineer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 07:49:52 PDT From: pvallado@sdcc13.UCSD.EDU (Paolo Valladolid ) Subject: Lyrics on _IOU_ and _Metal Fatigue_ Who wrote the lyrics to the songs with vocals on those albums? Paolo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Sep 92 13:00:47 EDT From: Michael Young <76526.1454@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Welcome to Atavachron! / discography re: AH discography Allan Holdsworth also appears on Soft Machine's "Land of Cockayne" (sp?), which I believe came out around 1979. Not sure which label, perhaps someone out there has a SM discography? Michael Young Vancouver, B.C. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Sep 92 15:54:57 -0400 From: rardin%bad.dnet@auriga Subject: 9/24 show in Cambridge, MA I attended the 7:30 Allan Holdsworth show at Nightstage last night. As usual, Allan's playing was phenomenal. I was also very impressed by Steve Hunt's playing. Personally, I would have been more excited to see Chad Wackerman sitting behind the drum kit. Despite my feelings, the crowd really seemed to be into Husband's work. While waiting in line for Nightstage to open the doors, a guy came along and passed out a flyer to everyone in line advertising that he had "tapes of Allan Holdsworth in Boston 1991...videos of AH at...plus tapes of Steve Morse, Return to Forever..." Seems to me to be pretty bold to pass this sort of thing out right under the nose of the artist. Allan got ahold of a copy of the flyer and after the first or second song said, "It seems that we have a lot more tapes and videos out than we thought we did. I'd sure like to get ahold of the guy who's passing these out and have a talk with him after the show..." Then Allan laid his copy of the flyer down on top of his some of his gear. I had a clear view of the "flyer guy" and was amused to see that he didn't seem to get much enjoyment out of the show after Allan's announcement. :) After the set was over and the band had left the stage, the "flyer guy" moved toward the stage, pretending to be interested in Allan's equipment. When he got over near the stack of equipment where Allan had laid down his copy of the flyer, the guy quickly moved in and grabbed the flyer, then quickly headed for the exit. What a guy. I found a security person and gave him my copy of the flyer and asked him to pass it along to Allan (it had the guy's number on it, so it was worthwhile for Allan to have a copy, I thought). Does anyone else have comments on the Boston or other shows? I'd be interested to hear opionions. -Lynn < R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu) > < Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center > < Brandeis University, Waltham, MA 02254-9110 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 01:44:08 EDT From: PRESTON@morekypr.bitnet Subject: Elliot Freedman's incredible tape Way back yonder (there's an eastern Kentuckyism for y'all) in Atavachron #17, back in the dim, dark past of six weeks ago when, among other things, we were discussing various Holdsworth-influenced guitarists, I said that the most Holdsworthian guitar player *I'd* heard was one whose name you might recognize, but whose music you probably hadn't heard. Well, the person of whom I speak walks among us here on the list, and his name is Elliot Freedman, from Vancouver, British Columbia. I assure you, if you are looking for something in the same vein as _I.O.U._ , you should contact him and arrange to get a copy of his tape -- you won't be sorry. When I first heard the tape, I was ready to say that Elliot's style was almost entirely derivative of Allan's. But on repeated listenings, it occurs to me that only the arrangements and the tonality are justifiably compared; the chordal selection is sometimes rather reminiscient of Mr. Holdsworth, but the changes are quite different; only in the tune "Open Architectures" (the oldest tune included on the tape) do I hear changes which send me looking for direct comparisons. Otherwise, there's a definite departure in structure, and in the 5-year span which this material covers, one can hear Elliot's own stylistic evolution. However, I think anyone familiar with Allan Holdsworth's work will invariably make a connection between the two players. The playing on the tape is, without exception, extraordinary. Joining Elliot's fine guitar work here are bassists Hans van Binsbergen, Steve Wood, Philip Blekxtoon, Robin Dymond and Dino Dinicolo, and drummers Rene Engel, Michael Cassels, Ruben van Roon, Paulo Federico and Paul Mason. I feel a little better knowing he had to go halfway around the globe to find some of these guys -- you don't find players in my neighborhood who want to do this type of material, that's for sure! I tried to pick a few favorites to name in the review, but I like them all too well to single any one tune out. So... what more can I say? Get the tape -- it's five star material. You can contact Elliot at: freedman@mprgate.mpr.ca As I said, I think anyone who enjoyed the _I.O.U._ album (and even _Road Games_ to an extent) ought to enjoy this material. I recommend it highly, especially for those of us who play and enjoy a heaping helping of humility every once in a while. :) Jeff Preston ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 10:22:43 -0400 From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) Subject: AH at the Iron Horse 9/23/92 Last night, I saw Allan and his band at the Iron Horse in Northampton, MA. This is a FABULOUS place to see shows; definitely worth a car trip if you're within (say) 150 miles. It's an intimate coffee house that serves dinner before the show, and everyone sits a little 2-or-4-person tables. It gets smokey but not terribly so. I got there 20 minutes early and had my choice of the best seats in the house. The band played a similar, but not identical, set of songs from the ones that Jeff Preston mentioned. For example, "Non-Brewed Condiment" was in the second set, and the encore was a jam based on "Material Real". Overall it was a good concert, but not the best I've seen from these folks; complaints are at the end of this article. The band wasn't really together for the first few tunes; they didn't seem in sync with one another. Gary Husband (drums) was throwing sticks left and right for the whole show. In addition, Gary was plagued by a drum microphone that kept falling down onto the toms. He would replace it viciously with one hand, while playing, only to have it fall again 30 second later. A roadie came on after the first tune and taped it down. The second set was MUCH better. Just like last year, "Devil Take the Hindmost" was the killer tune of the night. The keyboard, guitar, and drum solos were better than spectacular... really mind blowing!! Allan was in good humor and rolled his eyes more than once at various audience comments. He still looks uncomfortable onstage. After the show, I met Allan and Gary briefly. I didn't really know what to say except that they were terrific. (How original.) The guy next to me pulled out a cassette liner of "IOU" and asked Gary to autograph it. Gary took one look at it and said, "My god, that ancient thing? That's not old... it's EXTINCT!" At which point I whipped out my "IOU" CD booklet, which I'd brought along for autographs, and said "Oh yeah?" :-) I brought along three AH "virgins", and two of them left the show as new fans. The third guy hadn't expected this kind of music and was confused by 4 virtuosos soloing at the same time -- he didn't know what to follow. He did like the more straightforward music like "Hindmost" though. OK... now come the complaints... (1) I found the entire first set to be "formless." The songs all sounded similar, with little or no timbral nor tempo variation. Even the slower songs would eventually lapse into fast solos. There would be a brief introduction of the theme, then Steve Hunt would solo, then Allan would solo, then the song would end. To make matters worse, they played a lot of material from the new album, and no doubt took a lot of liberties with the music (extra soloing, variations, etc.), meaning that the music was doubly unfamiliar. They hardly announced any song titles either. In short: I wish the band had decided on a different selection of tunes with more variety, and had announced titles of the new tunes. (2) OK, let's take a vote. How many of you think Steve Hunt's keyboard solos should be MORE frequent and LONGER than they are now? Hey... stop throwing rocks at me!! Yes, Steve had a solo in virtually every song. A long solo. And every solo sounded essentially the same. Yes, he's fast. Yes, he's flashy. But a dozen solos, all over 5 minutes long, and all very similar is enough to turn off the most ardent fan. One exception: his solo during "Devil Take the Hindmost" was totally brilliant! Fabulous!!!! One of the best moments of the concert. Allan looked really enthusiastic while Steve was digging in. In short: Steve Hunt should take fewer, shorter solos to be more effective. Am I glad I went? Yes! Allan is always a pleasure to watch, and I'm happy to have met him. Gary's drumming is incredible; I love the way he swings his stick toward a drum and then purposely doesn't hit it, so the listener is forced to fill in the missing beats mentally. What a unique drumming style he has. Skuli (bass) was also cool, though I wish he would step to the front during his solos and be seen. Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett -- Dept of Computer Science, Lederle Graduate Research Center | | University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 -- barrett@cs.umass.edu | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** End of Atavachron Digest *** To have your posting distributed in the next issue of Atavachron, send your posting to: atavachron@morekypr.morehead-st.edu Administrative requests should be addressed to: preston@morekypr.morehead-st.edu All comments made here are the views of the individual contributors. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Received: by UKCC (Mailer R2.08) id 3479; Wed, 30 Sep 92 01:24:05 EDT Date: Wed, 30 Sep 92 01:15:04 EDT From: atavachron@morekypr Subject: Atavachron Digest #25 To: Jeff Preston Atavachron Digest - The Allan Holdsworth Discussion List Volume 2, Number 25 Wednesday September 30th, 1992 TODAY'S TOPICS: ============== album delayed? *unknown* Husband's sloppy drumming A cool thang. Keeping up with you guys (whew!) Reaching For The Uncommon Chord Holdsworth discography ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 19:50:03 -0400 From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) Subject: album delayed? At the Holdsworth concert on 9/23/92, I heard Allan say he had "just heard" that "Wardenclyff Tower", his new album, will not be released on October 10 as planned. It will be a few weeks late. That's all I know. Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett -- Dept of Computer Science, Lederle Graduate Research Center | | University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 -- barrett@cs.umass.edu | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 23:25:38 EDT From: mccabe@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Chris Mccabe) Subject: *unknown* I saw Alan at the 'Bottom Line', in NYC. Incredible show. Also, I was determined to meet Alan, and, I did! Twice. Once before and once after the show. Here is basically how it went: Me: Hi, Alan. I just want to say I think you are an incredible guitar player. Alan: Thanx Me: Could I have your autograph? Alan: Sure Me: I'm a little bit nervous to actually be meeting you... Alan: Not as nervous as I am... Me: Will you play 'Non Brewed Condiment' tonight, or anything else from 'Atavachron'? Alan: Yeah. I'll play a couple. Me: It must be pretty hard playing that opening riff at the beginning of 'Non Brewed Condiment'. Alan: It's a little tricky to do Live, but were gonna try. Me: How about stuff from 'Metal Fatigue'? Alan: Yeah. Me: By the way, I contribute to a kind of fan club for you, on the Internet network. Have you heard about it? Alan: Oh yeah...I met Jeff Preston. Me: Yeah, that's him!! Alan: Yeah, that's pretty cool. Me: Well, it was great meeting you, and again, I think you're an incredible player. Alan: You may not think that after the show is over. Me: Laugh Alan: That's my drummer, Gary Husband. Me: Hi Gary, nice to meet you. After this, I went back to my seat, with Alan's autograph in my front pocket. About 10 minutes after the show, I saw him again come out to the bar. I decided to go back, and ask some intelligent questions this time: Me: Excellent show. Alan: Thanx. . Me: So, is there any chance that Warner Bros. will sell the rights to 'Road Games' to Restless, or is it lost forever? Alan: No, it's lost forever. Me: You're such a great guitar player, it's a shame you don't get more attention in the media. Is there any chance you would do something like play on television, like on a talk show or something. For example, like what Chad did on the Dennis Miller show. Alan: No way. I would never do anything like that. Me: Why? Alan: Because when the show gets cancelled, they just drop you. Me: It's such a shame, but I don't hear much jazz fusion around here (NYC), even on a good Jazz station like WBGO, so I never hear your music on the radio. Alan: That's probably the way it will always be. Me: Yeah. Anyway, now I have something to tell the guys on the computer network. Alan: Yeah, that's really cool. I hope you guys can continue doing that. If possible, I plan to see him again, on October 3rd, in New Jersey. What can I tell ya, I'm a dedicated fan! Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 00:18:50 -0400 From: rardin%cygnus.dnet@auriga Subject: Husband's sloppy drumming I heard a rumor tonight that Gary Husband is just returning to playing after having taken a year off. Can anybody substantiate this? If true, this might explain his somewhat sloppy, on-and-off drumming during the current Holdsworth tour. -Lynn < R. Lynn Rardin (rardin@auriga.rose.brandeis.edu) > < Rosenstiel Basic Medical Sciences Research Center > < Brandeis University, Waltham, MA 02254-9110 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1992 02:45:36 -0400 From: wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca (Anil Prasad) Subject: A cool thang. I've got a Holdsworth interview on tap for early/mid-october, and would like to see if any of you atavachronites have any good ideas for questions. I'd like to ask that they be as creative and imaginitive as possible. Questions specific to this tour and his new album are especially wanted. Also, any "dirt" on the band etc., any gossip you've heard would be interesting. Please don't ask me to ask allan when he's playing a specific location or area. Usually the artist doesn't know anyway. Contact Allan's record company, management or jeff for stuff like this. They're far more on top of it. Interview time is *ALWAYS* a precious resource, and is better spent on getting info straight from the artist that can't be found elsewhere. Also, please don't send me "obvious" or "basic" questions. I like hitting artists with questions that knock them sideways, things they don't expect, new twists etc. I'm sure Allan is quite sick of being asked "who were your earliest musical influences" or "what made you decide to become a musician" etc.. you know what I mean. So with those caveats in mind, please shoot some cool questions my way. Thanks, ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anil Prasad | "When I talked to him yesterday, I called ---------------------------| him George. But in public, it's Mr. Vice- wcsanil@ccs.carleton.ca | President, because that's who he is." wcsanil@alfred.carleton.ca | -- J. Danforth Quayle, 08/27/88 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 08:56:56 EDT From: PRESTON@morekypr.bitnet Subject: Keeping up with you guys (whew!) >Date: Tue, 22 Sep 92 10:38:43 BST >From: a740778@server1.tiuk.ti.com (Jason Julyan (0004 )) >Subject: Jeff's hard work >I just gotta say a big "Thanks!" to Jeff Preston for all the effort he's >putting in to make Atavachron really mean something more than just a >discussion group. No need to thank me... I'm more than happy to be here. :) Thanks for the support though. There *is* no list without interested people to pool their experiences and spread the word to others about the list's existence, though, so again I have to emphasize that Atavachron is only what *everyone* wants to make of it. >We've all gotta pull together on this one and make sure any thoughts of >Allan's of getting a day job are dispelled. Mind you, if my CD purchases > [...] I'll second that. I've been talking to several people here, trying to figure out what possible gesture we could make that would convince him that there are people out here who appreciate what he does, beyond what the album sales reflect. All I can say is "the little things count" -- turn people onto the music, if you have a chance. Tell friends about Allan's shows; call or write friends who live far away and tell them of upcoming gigs near them. Write to Allan and tell him how much you enjoy his music; if you don't have the address, ask me! Then write to Restless and tell them how lucky they are to have Allan, and tell them how much easier his CDs are to find now that they've got the Enigma releases. Then write them again to let them know what you think about _Wardenclyffe Tower_, and *DON'T* mention the LIST! Make them think you bought this cold off the street... if they get 50 letters like this, it'll completely blow their minds. Above all else, don't let your friends tape your Holdsworth albums; tell them he needs the support, and then let them listen to your collection and help them to pick out ones to BUY first. These things add up! After all, the man has been making some kind of living at this for essentially 20 years... if we can help the sales curve to head in an upward direction, even to a small degree, that will surely have a positive effect on any decision Allan may make about staying in the music scene. The rent still has to be paid, folks, and it sounds like this is really the bottom line, whether Allan likes that fact or not. >Date: Thu, 24 Sep 92 10:07:58 -0700 >From: heiser@adobe.com (Rob Heiser) >Subject: Re: CONCERT: Allan Holdsworth *updated* itinerary [U.S.] > Have you heard of Allan coming through Cali anytime in the near future? >I'd love to see him again, especially if he'll be playing at the Kuumbwa >Jazz Center in Santa Cruz...Keep the updates coming! No California dates so far, Rob. But I just heard from one source that a college radio station in the San Jose area has been announcing that Allan will be playing in that area in November. That struck me as odd, since the current tour is scheduled to end on October 18th, but with _Wardenclyffe Tower_ due out very soon, they may well take a short break and head out on the road again. I will *definitely* keep abreast of this... if Akira Yada will not cooperate, I won't hesitate to call Allan or Claire to get the touring information, now that I know they are very receptive to us. >Date: Sun, 27 Sep 92 10:22:43 -0400 >From: barrett@astro.cs.umass.edu (Daniel Barrett) >Subject: AH at the Iron Horse 9/23/92 > After the show, I met Allan and Gary briefly. I didn't really know >what to say except that they were terrific. (How original.) The guy next >to me pulled out a cassette liner of "IOU" and asked Gary to autograph it. >Gary took one look at it and said, "My god, that ancient thing? That's not >old... it's EXTINCT!" At which point I whipped out my "IOU" CD booklet, >which I'd brought along for autographs, and said "Oh yeah?" :-) That'd almost be funny, if not for the fact that they played four tunes from that album on this tour (or at least on the the two shows I saw). :) Nothing from _Secrets_ ... why, oh why? > I brought along three AH "virgins", and two of them left the show as >new fans. The third guy hadn't expected this kind of music and was confused >by 4 virtuosos soloing at the same time -- he didn't know what to follow. I'd say that's an excellent percentage. If you should ever feel the need to write to Allan, I'd certainly bring this up, since he seems to have trouble understanding what people see in his music. Perhaps knowing that he can make new fans "cold" from one live show might be encouraging. > To make matters worse, they played a lot of material from the new > album, and no doubt took a lot of liberties with the music (extra > soloing, variations, etc.), meaning that the music was doubly > unfamiliar. They hardly announced any song titles either. That's always been a complaint (Allan not calling the tunes), and I included some text with that complaint in the package I gave Allan in Columbus. Oddly enough, he did announce a couple more tunes the next night in Dayton, but not all of them... including two of the three from the new release... ack! Well, one I knew to be "Zarabeth" (hey, not only is that another Star Trek reference, but the third one from the *same episode*...!), since I'd just bought that _Guitar From The Edge_ compilation. The one which he failed to name was the one that really blew me away. > In short: I wish the band had decided on a different selection of > tunes with more variety, and had announced titles of the new tunes. Hey, now's a good time to ask: what would your ideal Holdsworth set consist of, if you had Allan's ear long enough to suggest one? >Am I glad I went? Yes! Allan is always a pleasure to watch, and I'm >happy to have met him. Gary's drumming is incredible; I love the way >he swings his stick toward a drum and then purposely doesn't hit it, so >the listener is forced to fill in the missing beats mentally. What a >unique drumming style he has. Skuli (bass) was also cool, though I >wish he would step to the front during his solos and be seen. I'll always get a laugh from this, Dan, as long as I live. :) It's only because I know what you mean, from seeing the Columbus show. But I wish I'd only had you and Lynn along in Dayton just to show you that Gary wasn't a total loss on this tour... he was really on top of it that night (honest!). Still, how can anyone fill Wackerman's shoes? Jeff Preston ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 92 16:19:26 +0100 From: Ron Chrisley Subject: Reaching For The Uncommon Chord The good news is that my copy of RftUC arrived! Thanks to whomever posted the Music Dispatch info. The bad news is that two of the pages are partially blank. So, I need to contact Music Dispatch. But I only have an 800 number for them (they have no listing with the operator in Winona), and I can't use 800 numbers from the UK. Could someone ring 1 800 637 2852 and ask them for a non-800 number? Or better yet, ask them if there is any easy way to get the book replaced (without me having to pay more postage costs). In the meantime, perhaps someone could fax me the two missing pages? Thanks for the help, Ron ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Sep 92 14:59:30 EDT From: Kingsley Durant Jr Subject: Holdsworth discography The Soft Machine record "Land Of Cockayne" was released in 1981 on EMI (UK). Allan plays on several cuts but is only featured on a couple, and only solos on one. The rest of the band is worth a listen, however. Karl Jenkins and John Marshall remain from the "Bundles" era band, and they are joined by John Taylor (fender rhodes), Jack Bruce (bass), Alan Parker (rhythm gtr), and a pair of excellent saxophonists, Allan's old friend Ray Warleigh, and Dick Morrissey, who once blew some fresh air into Pink Floyd records. (e.g. Dark Side of the Moon). It's a bit heavy-handed at times (there's an orchestra featured on several cuts) and it's not exactly a Holdsworth date, but it's worth a listen if you can find it. Nice review of the Iron Horse show-- I used to go there when I lived in Ashburnham, MA. (find that on a map!) I'm planning to go to the Richmond or Alexandria show next week. Review may be forthcoming. >>Kingsley Durant<< ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** End of Atavachron Digest *** To have your posting distributed in the next issue of Atavachron, send your posting to: atavachron@morekypr.morehead-st.edu Administrative requests should be addressed to: preston@morekypr.morehead-st.edu All comments made here are the views of the individual contributors.